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I have taken this quote from a debate on the internet and the use of the word unbeliever or the word *Kafr* from root word K-F-R, meaning 'those who reject (the truth)' to refer to all others non- believers in GOD.

The word 'kafr' is the closest of being translated into 'unbelievers'.

Just as in the days of Muhammad, the fundamentalist followers of Islam today are pursuing world conquest. The best way is to let one of the leaders say it in his words.
One of the clearest writers and thinkers of modern jihad Is Mawlana Abul Ala Mawduli, the founder of Pakistan’s fundamentalist movement. He has written many books and is one of Islam’s most well-known scholars. The entire Islamic world considers him a leader who will be remembered throughout history. These are his words:
“Islam is not a normal religion like the other religions in the world, and Muslim nations are not like normal nations. Muslim nations are very special because they have a command from Allah to rule the entire world and to be over every nations in the world”.

1. The goal of Islamism is the conversion or subjugation of the entire world through the establishment of a global Islamic caliphate and the eradication of all non-Islamic cultures, religions, traditions, and ways of life. This goal is non-negotiable in the eyes of those Muslims who are usually referred to as Islamists.
2. Islamists will not stop their assault (overt or covert) on the non-Muslim world till they have achieved their divinely prescribed goal.
3. Islamists believe that the end always justifies the means: Islamists have no respect or regard for the rules, laws, or values of the non-Islamic world, to them, only the precepts propounded in the Koran are legitimate. Only after they have expunged all things un-Islamic from the world, will Allah’s design for humanity be as He in tended.

All that disagree with Islam is an 'unbeliever' because Islam means submit not like Christianity that says to love God and come to him willingly and not in fear. Islam is a counterfeit christianity - Jesus is mentioned 25 times and Moses 136 times in the Quran - not to mention all other Biblical names....... (Borrowed) ..............So to me, moderate muslims I welcome with open arms. The 'others'...........If I'm a kafr, then they are still ragheads...

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I thought the word was Kafir

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Yes indeed. But the sentence is based on what they were going to do next is it not? Surely you don't get 17 years for stockpiling explosives and guns? There's a lot of weirdos out there who have probably got stockpiles of this sort of stuff. Do they get 17 years too?

To me, the sentence reflects the crime they were intending to commit not the actual crimes they had committed.

Therefore they have been found guilty of a crime they have not yet committed. Seems a dangerous precedent legally.

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I don't care if they call me Kafr or Kafir or even infidel. Fact is I don't have to sink to that level.

Enlighten me how calling her a raghead where her folk can see it serves any purpose?

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its not only just terrorism thats being imported to OZ. " middle eastern gangs exhibit a special kind of violence"
http://www.news.com.au/national/noto...-1225831176476

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Yeah...that'll work on people prepared to put dynamite up their bottoms and blow it up!

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Could it be that this post sums up one of the difficulties the planet is always going to have with religious and exploitation issues.
And re Oh really! and you have done the questioning personally yourself have you?

A few things that I'd expect the bulk of Australians,[those born there of many generations and those of more recent belonging hopefully eventually] to appreciate is:
. We do have a sense of fair play, the Aussie way you could say.
. We'll not brook violence against our own just as I'd not expect those of other countries to .
. And yet we'll try not to be too bigoted and hope justice is as it should be.

So with our would be terrorists, though they had not committed what it is considered they intended, AFAIK there are charges such as conspiracy that can be laid.
For a few others, Australia does not have capital punishment as an option at the moment so we may have to rely on the likes of The Fixer.

But more's the point, whilst no one wants terrorism and sadly you'll always likely have people in any country who do not follow fair play and anti violence principles, just as surely the use of the 4x2 approach all be it with technological development may never resolve the issues that have arisen from exploitation and poverty and all that is far too complex to attempt discussion with any rednecks.

Five Sydney men jailed over terrorism plot
 

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/...errorism-plot/



Five Sydney men convicted of terrorism-related offences have been sentenced to maximum sentences ranging from 23 to 28 years in prison.

In October last year, at the end of Australia's longest terrorism trial, a jury found them guilty of conspiring to commit a terrorist act or acts.

During the sentencing hearing at the Supreme Court in Parramatta today, Justice Anthony Whealy said the men regarded their imprisonment as a badge of honour.

The judge referred to the chemicals, weapons and ammunition they stockpiled.

He said one of the men told a shop assistant he was buying hydrogen peroxide for his grandmother.

The judge said the men had material that glorified Osama Bin Laden and graphic images of violence involving hostages.

"One particular feature of this trial was the fact that a considerable volume of extremist material was held by each offender in common with the other conspirators," he said.

He gave the men non-parole periods ranging from 17 to 21 years.

The men smiled at each other after the judge left the court.

Two of their supporters at the back of the public gallery shouted in Arabic, "Be patient, Allah is with you".

Outside court, the lawyer for one of the men said he will appeal .

The sister for one of the convicted men said 23 years jail sentence is half her brother's life and that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion.

She dedicated a poem to her brother.

Trial

The men, aged between 25 and 44, have been in custody since they and four others were arrested in south-west Sydney in 2005.

The other four men arrested in 2005 pleaded guilty and have already been sentenced for their role in the conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack.

During the 10-month trial, the court heard the five jihadists wanted to terrify and intimidate the Australian public and Government in retaliation for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Crown argued each of the men had been a party to stockpiling chemicals to make explosives and had "step-by-step instructions on how to make bombs capable of causing large-scale death and destruction."

It was the prosecution case that the men had been in pursuit of "violent jihad which involved the application of extreme force and violence, including the killing of those who did not share the fundamentalist ... extremist, beliefs."

No direct evidence

The prosecution has never told the court what the supposed target for the alleged terrorist attack was.

The jury heard from 300 witnesses, examined 3,000 exhibits, watched 30 days of surveillance tapes and listened to 18 hours of phone intercepts; however, there was no direct evidence linking the accused to the terrorism plot.

Weapons were found in the south-west Sydney home of the accused ringleader, along with enough ammunition to keep firing for 37 hours.

Prosecutors said three of the accused had gone on paramilitary-style camps in far western New South Wales to prepare for an attack. The defence claimed the men were just hunting, camping and having fun.

The jury was also told that one of the accused had attended a paramilitary training camp in Pakistan run by the terrorist organisation, Lashkar-e-Toiba, but a key FBI witness told the court he could not be sure it was the man.

Over 16 months, the men used false names to acquire mobile phones and spoke in code, aware they were under surveillance.

They were also equipped with night-vision cameras and had "large quantities of literature which supported indiscriminate killing, mass murder and martyrdom."

Each of the accused possessed similar extremist material on their home computers, on topics including the September 11 attacks and ritual beheadings.

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......Still a raghead

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Nope...thats the the degoratory term used for black people in Africa. Right idea but wrong country and religion...

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Makes me feel better... :eek:

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I'd be more worried about the ones we dont hear about.

Had the same thing in Melbourne recently, in fact I think they were connected to this group.

It would be interesting to hear from someone that has a idea for a solution to this kind of learned fanaticism. Most of the people involved in Melbourne were born here and second generation migrants.

Heres the Melbourne link.... My daughters went to school with one of them. They mostly orginated from around the area I live in now...

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news...l/1272727.aspx

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Taken from the other thread..... quoting myself...


I'd be more worried about the ones we dont hear about.

Had the same thing in Melbourne recently, in fact I think they were connected to this group.

It would be interesting to hear from someone that has a idea for a solution to this kind of learned fanaticism. Most of the people involved in Melbourne were born here and second generation migrants.

Heres the Melbourne link.... My daughters went to school with one of them. They mostly orginated from around the area I live in now...

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news...l/1272727.aspx

Not sure that deporting family members is going to do anything but make the situation a whole lot worse. Supposed to be quelling extremism not fuelling it.

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I'd be far more worried about driving from A to B on practically any road in Australia. You are about a million times more likely to be killed on the roads than you are to be killed by a terrorist.

As to the solution. The solution lies in ignoring them. What they want is for you to be worried.

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:thumbup: