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Pollyana Dec 15th 2011 7:33 pm

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 9791387)
I would think referring to someone as Asian meant Chinese (or the surrounds) around here, Indian would be ... Indian.

I was talking to an Aussie woman the other day who insists that Indians and Pakistanis are from the Middle East and are of the same origin as Arabs :confused:

DeadVim Dec 15th 2011 7:38 pm

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by Gibbo (Post 9791661)
I think that you are being very cheeky, Vim, when you say that your thoughts weren't based on logic etc !:)
However, you are right. Indians are called Indians and from the sub-continent, whilst almost all the rest are Asian except for the Chinese who are usually referred to as Chinese.


Originally Posted by sheene (Post 9791676)
That is a direct contradiction of what Vim said! :rofl:

There was no cheek involved, just an observation based on my conversations with Australians in the 7 years I have been here. I was not referring to how I would class people. If I had to, not that I do that often ...

I didn't single the Chinese out as being classed as 'Chinese' and not 'Asian', true. I hardly think it is something worth mulling over though.


Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 9791855)
I was talking to an Aussie woman the other day who insists that Indians and Pakistanis are from the Middle East and are of the same origin as Arabs :confused:

Well, there we are, probably a Pauline Hanson fan ... ;)

chris955 Dec 15th 2011 11:16 pm

Re: Aussie drivers
 
Oh come on it's close enough, they are all foreigners :D


Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 9791855)
I was talking to an Aussie woman the other day who insists that Indians and Pakistanis are from the Middle East and are of the same origin as Arabs :confused:


sheene Dec 15th 2011 11:29 pm

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 9791855)
I was talking to an Aussie woman the other day who insists that Indians and Pakistanis are from the Middle East and are of the same origin as Arabs :confused:

I bet her Geography teacher was always late for school.

fish.01 Dec 16th 2011 12:58 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 9789520)
for you, no problem.

http://www.thefreesociety.org/Articl...-1-nanny-state

"There is a PhD thesis waiting to be written some day about how Australia came to be the world’s number one nanny state; how a country that was once renowned for rugged individualism capitulated to puritanism with barely a whimper.
...

Whether it is true or not it is a pretty disappointing article...writes about a bunch of suggestions as if they are legislation...lazy, you could argue any point just by looking for "suggestions".

DeadVim Dec 16th 2011 1:04 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 9791852)
80 to 0, brakes slammed on with no warning, the other car was a good distance behind and i honestly think he had no choice - why wouldnt the other driver at least be partially at fault for careless/dangerous driving?

If I hit the car in front then I would have no issue with being made the guilty party, with the exception of those 'I must merge in front of you' competitive drivers.

In flowing traffic there is no excuse IMO.

fish.01 Dec 16th 2011 1:07 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by monkeyalan (Post 9789576)
I hate driving here.

It swings wildly between utter utter boredom one minute and heart stopping terror the next.

road deaths in Oz are 1.5 x higher than in the uk (3.6 per 100k v 5.2). for a country thats mostly empty space crisscrossed by arrow streight roads thats pretty impressive.

Apart from the lack of driving skill in general , a joking tollerance to drink driving amongst the general population and badly thought out road layouts i suspect the lack of car maintainance plays a big part in that little statistic.

letting kids with no insurance who've just passed their driving test in rear wheel drive , V6 engined cars with no requirement for an annual safety inspection is a recipe for disaster.

I 've become totally numb to the news headline that another teenager has wrapped his car round a tree ( cut to scattered wreackage of 15 year old commadore) .

Given the different percentage of people in each country who drive and how far they drive road deaths per population is not the most accurate comparison. Per km travelled is more accurate.

fish.01 Dec 16th 2011 1:12 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by Gibbo (Post 9791661)
I think that you are being very cheeky, Vim, when you say that your thoughts weren't based on logic etc !:)
However, you are right. Indians are called Indians and from the sub-continent, whilst almost all the rest are Asian except for the Chinese who are usually referred to as Chinese.

:confused: Not that I have noticed...

fish.01 Dec 16th 2011 1:28 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by sheene (Post 9791394)
But India and China are both in Asia, so using your logic, Chinese should be.......Chinese.

Not when you consider the term Asian is just a shortening for the Asian region providing the most immigrants to each country.

UK = South Asian => Asian
Oz = South East Asian/East Asian => Asian

sheene Dec 16th 2011 1:48 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 9792346)
Not when you consider the term Asian is just a shortening for the Asian region providing the most immigrants to each country.

UK = South Asian => Asian
Oz = South East Asian/East Asian => Asian

And of course in OZ we are referred to as European, never English, or Scottish, or Irish, or Welsh, or British?

Chortlepuss Dec 16th 2011 8:14 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 
Shortly after I moved to brissie, i had to get a cab to the city. I sat in the front 'cos I had read that 'that's what people do here' The driver chatted to me all the way, but obviously thought it was polite to look straight at me all the time. My eyes were out front - looking at the road ahead - well one of us had to - So I was able to observe when he crashed into the back of a UTE.
After the accident he said to me 'I've learned something today' and I thought the lesson was going to be 'look forwards when driving' But it was 'My brakes need fixing, I'm a v experienced driver, just think how bad it could have been':D

chris955 Dec 16th 2011 10:57 am

Re: Aussie drivers
 
Yes he could have been reading a map :D


Originally Posted by Chortlepuss (Post 9793055)
I'm a v experienced driver, just think how bad it could have been':D


roaringmouse Dec 16th 2011 4:46 pm

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 9792299)

Originally Posted by monkeyalan (Post 9789576)
I hate driving here.

It swings wildly between utter utter boredom one minute and heart stopping terror the next.

road deaths in Oz are 1.5 x higher than in the uk (3.6 per 100k v 5.2). for a country thats mostly empty space crisscrossed by arrow streight roads thats pretty impressive.

Apart from the lack of driving skill in general , a joking tollerance to drink driving amongst the general population and badly thought out road layouts i suspect the lack of car maintainance plays a big part in that little statistic.

letting kids with no insurance who've just passed their driving test in rear wheel drive , V6 engined cars with no requirement for an annual safety inspection is a recipe for disaster.

I 've become totally numb to the news headline that another teenager has wrapped his car round a tree ( cut to scattered wreackage of 15 year old commadore).

Given the different percentage of people in each country who drive and how far they drive road deaths per population is not the most accurate comparison. Per km travelled is more accurate.

That's just crap. You can't just look at raw statistics like you seem to want to, you need to humanize them.

With a higher road death rate per population, it means relatively more people are affected by those deaths. Surely you would agree on a human level that it gets worse with increasing numbers of people affected from someone dying from a road death - therefore a higher rate of road deaths per population is a bad thing, and is a perfectly valid way of looking at (and humanizing) such statistics.

Broad Shoulders Dec 16th 2011 5:01 pm

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 9793526)
That's just crap. You can't just look at raw statistics like you seem to want to, you need to humanize them.

With a higher road death rate per population, it means relatively more people are affected by those deaths. Surely you would agree on a human level that it gets worse with increasing numbers of people affected from someone dying from a road death - therefore a higher rate of road deaths per population is a bad thing, and is a perfectly valid way of looking at (and humanizing) such statistics.

I actually believe a fairer way of looking at it should be the death rate per 1000 vehicles registered. There are many people in the UK who simply do not own a car for various reasons (no need, public transport fill the void for them, or simply too expensive). In Aus it is simply not feasible to get by without a car, so I would imagine more people per 1000 head have cars than in the UK. Therefore a death rate per 1000 registered vehicles would be fairer.

roaringmouse Dec 16th 2011 8:14 pm

Re: Aussie drivers
 

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 9793537)
I actually believe a fairer way of looking at it should be the death rate per 1000 vehicles registered.

And what about those driving unregistered cars?


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