Aussie Dream Over??
 

Seems the Kiwis are leaving as never before and they are heading home. Wonder who's going to replace them?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=982188

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More Kiwis flooding over from the third world country that is New Zealand will replace them. There's still 1000 New Zealanders a week leaving New Zealand permanently.

And most of the ones returning to New Zealand will be back as soon as they run out of money and can't get a job, or get a job that pays so poorly that they can't enjoy the lifestyle they have become accustomed to in the developed world.

Buzzy

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Hey Buzzy long time no see! If memory serves me right, you went to nz for a while before coming to oz. You may be right that other kiwis will head over but from what I've read on nz websites they have been getting laid off work and finding it harder to find work here and can't get dole unless been here two years, so some may be going home to claim dole for themselves and kids etc.

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Is living in NZ really that bad?

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I think it's difficult if your'e on a low-mid income, but then that's true of most countries. From what I read recently even those on middle income brackets were hitting foodbanks (cheap food outlets run by salvos etc). Personally I'd struggle there more now than say 20 or 30 yrs ago. problem has been nz went for huge radical economic reforms over this period whereas oz was far more pragmatic and only made incremental changes.

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According to the BBC website most of the people coming into Australia right now are Chinese.

British emigration to Australia has dropped 28%.

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I wonder if that British reduction is due mainly to the lack of visa grants.

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Or to people waking up to the fact that decent housing in desirable areas of Australia is now just as expensive as the UK and that Australia is an overrated, isolated, backwards, melanoma-filled dust-bowl.

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But it actually is the reduction of 'skills' that Aussies will grant a visa for.

You're right.

Was just throwing an alternative out there.

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For you perhaps, not others. Where do you live, Meekatharra?

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Burp.

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Since 2001, NZ citizens are not elegible for Australian dole at all, unless they have PR or are "Grandfathered".

An NZ citizen in Australia who arrived since Feb 2001, would hold temporary residency visa subclass 444. And would have no automatic way to make that PR, except through going through the same channels as any other applicant.

No PR = No dole.

Buzzy

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..........and filled with dangerous wildlife and hoards of flies

..........and life sucking whingeing Poms.

Yeah, great aint it :thumbup:

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You're in the fan club obviously. I am not sure about backwards but the rest could be accurate :) Still wouldn't want to live in some british greyzone though

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Do they need replacing? I mean, we're not exactly talking about the backbone of Australia's economy, are we? I'm sure there's plenty of other people who can order fish and chips in a hilarious accent (and whatever else it is that Kiwis do when they come to the Big Smoke).

Oh wait - looks like they've been replaced already:

:thumbup:

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Damn, there goes me multi-acreage plans. :(

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Mate, leave yer self alone at night.

you will make more sense in the morning'........:pmm

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The reduction of british applicants were mostly due to the csl exclude trade occupation. I think the drop in british is only temporary and once diac start trade occupation, the british should again be no 1.

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Not if they realise that

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I doubt it. The numbers just don't add up for the Brits to emigrate to Australia any more. There is only so much of a lifestyle hit you are willing to take for warm weather!

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I wouldn't be so sure. The small suggestion "I might be coming home" still causes the same usual stunned reactions of "why?" "who'd want to leave such a lovely place?" "why on earth come back here?" "Australia has to be the best place in the world" etc etc. I think the idea of Australia being akin to paradise is still so deeply ingrained in a lot of British minds that it would take a major tsunami drowning the place to convince them otherwise.


(and even then they'd probably stlll want to come, they'd just see it as having a larger pool in the garden than they expected :lol:)

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The gov made the changes to New Zealand emigration because of the back door for other migrants to get into Australia easily. I worked with someone whose whole family emigrated through NZ as they were not eligible to come to Aus.

There has always been an exchange of people from NZ to Aus and vice versa not everyone thinks places are paradise, some people are down to earth and think about getting a job they like with the right salary and then all the rest will fall into place. I know it was our priority wherever it may have been.

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Bit of an insult to third world countries to call NZ "third world".
How ignorant is that?!

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Clearly you haven't spent a great deal of time there. I have. There are some (North island Maori) towns that have scant electricity and the homes have mud floors. Even my apparently well-off in-laws had no heating at all in their wooden home and an outside toilet.

It has no motorway network and no rail network to speak of. The only link between the second largest city in NZ (Christchurch) and it's nearest urban neighbour (Dunedin) is a single-lane-each-way road. You can't take a train, because there aren't any.

Many third world countries (eg India) have better transport infrastructures than that.

Buzzy

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I suggest you revisit New Zealand again with more open eyes.
Yes, there is some poverty in NZ, as there is some poverty in most countries.
But most NZ'ers have a great standard of living. And with the small population of NZ, which makes it a special place to live, there is no need for expensive rail or uncecessary motorways. And comparing a sparsely populated area such as the South Island to densely populated India is a bit weak. There are actually Rail networks in both Auckland and Wellington.
Yes I am a kiwi and I have been lucky enough to live in both UK, Australia and have travelled extensively around India, something that most third worlders would never dream of having the chance to do.

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Auckland is a shithole. Probably 1m people with an infrastructure for half of that. We were there 5 years ago and were driving into the city from the north, trying to get to the airport. It was a Sunday morning and the roads were really busy. There were no signs for the airport, actually there was one - 300m before the turnoff. The airport (which is a pretty major one) is reached by a series of suburban roads - all of them really busy.

Yep, NZ is borderline 3rd world.

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Don’t hold back mate, out with it. Tell us your real opinions.:)

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Yeah sounds just like a moaning pom to me

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That's a bit harsh, I stayed in Auckland when validating my Aussie PR and I quite liked it :)

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Has to be a tragedy based on this story....

Especially for the local men here.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...696214489.html

Only country in the world where the Women are more promiscuous then the men.

So the old Aussie adage, that I've heard quite a few times does ring true...

How do you confuse a NZ women.... "Honey I'm home" ;)

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Trying to find a good one perchance....:confused:

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I'm sure there are many settlements in Australia with similar third world traits. Fact is that you or I would be unlikely to spend any time in them, I imagine the same goes for NZ.

The South Island doesn't need a motorway network. I spent 5 days driving around the top half of it last month, never sat in traffic once. I've done the same over the entire island for 3 weeks before, same thing, no waiting in traffic. Why build motorways you don't need?

I haven't been to the north island, but leaving the economics aside, the south island of NZ is the most beautiful place I've ever been, by a mile! Having some time to kill before catching a flight back last month I took a look at some of the beachside suburbs in CHC. I saw decent homes on the first street back from the beach for sale for under NZ$400k (in New Brighton Beach)....it was an easy trafficless 15min drive to the CBD. Even with dramatically lower salaries the numbers still add up!

CHC is certainly not the most exciting place in the world but for someone whose priority is the outdoor life, it certainly wouldn't be 'third world'!

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Mate, you're totally right about everything in your post.

Try living in NZ though, it is very very very hard. You can't eat the scenery!

Buzzy

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As it can be very hard living in the UK.
No need to be negative about the whole country though especially if you are a guest there that has been welcomed.

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We dont ever plan on going back to NZ to live, love it here :thumbup:

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there would also be some aboriginal houses that have mud floors, doesnt make the rest of Aus 3rd world does it???

If your inlaws were well off then they should be able to put in an inside toilet just like my grandparents did on a pension, I really dont think it is as bad as you are making it out to be. Yes there are some parts of NZ that are lacking in services but there are also a lot of areas the same here in Aus.

We went home last month (Chch) and couldnt believe how easy it was again to get from point A to B, they dont need the infrastructure they have here because there isnt enough people especially in the South Island. Thye whole time we were there we didnt sit in traffic once yet the day we got back here we sat in traffic on the way home from the airport.

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Actually a lot of them have been employed in areas of importance to the australian economy, eg; resources industry

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That’s true, but lets be fair here:

New Zealand, as lovely a place as it is, doesn’t have a resource economy like Australia. There are no massive open cut coal lines, no long wall underground coal mines. No bauxite mining operations, no iron ore mining – apart from a unique beach sand plant. It doesn’t have same scale farming and agriculture industries.

So when the Kiwis arrive they don’t have any experience. They have never seen any of the above resource operations. They having seen huge sheep or cattle stations, massive wheat fields, huge underground or open cut mines, or the complex mineral processing plants that go with them.

Any other migrant would do just as well, and in some cases, where they have prior experience in their homelands, even better.

The big advantage for both employees and employers is the visa-less working arrangements.

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No, in many ways NZ is far better than Australia.

BUT

-You need to be on a large income or be well-off.
-Accept that you are moving to a small country and not be disappointed when the nightlife isn't like New York.

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You DO make some good points. I was a little annoyed at Vash's attempt at humour. And as far as Vash is concerned...yeah mate we kept Aussies like Pauline Hanson in business :rofl: