Pollyana

Not that many jobs in disaster management, especially for someone my age who has worked up through the ranks with no qualifications! The odd hours go with the territory and I don't mind them, though it just feels a bit like being on that hamster wheel at present....makes me laugh a bit when people talk about emigrating for a better life, for all I see of Australia these days I could be in almost any city on earth - skyscrapers outside the window plus its raining outside!!

Beoz

In my experience you are right about the idiots and wrong about the pay. It is becoming increasingly difficult to put up with the narrow minded, insular, bogans who trek in from the outback and profess to be experts in IT and yet have only ever had one job, a certificate from some place called TAFE and no passport.

isgraham

Yes the quality of Australian IT workers that are in Australia is shockingly bad and management seem to know this because everything is proceduralised to the point where failure is acceptable so long as you follow the procedure and success is unacceptable if you don't follow procedure. It causes so much non productive work that I found myself having to work an extra 3 or so hours per day to do what I now do in London in 4-5 hours that I need to work to do my job. Even though I have the stated aim of moving back when I can afford a house in Mosman (which is now only about 1-2 years away) I really don't want to go back to work there because it's so retarded.

IvanM

Depends who you are working for. Most places I have been to I have had to build procedures where there were none. Now I have just moved to an outsourcer life is quite different. I reserve judgement for a few months to see what happens.

Beoz

That is one of the most clinical and accurate descriptions I've ever heard. I've framed it and sent it to everyone I work with. I probably won't have a job in the morning and I don't care.

bosswobo

Well go home then

isgraham

Here's another bit for you then.

Another thing I saw regularly was that when procedures were acknowledged to be wrong they would create a new procedure to add to the procedure that didn't work in the hope that an additional procedure would rectify the problems created by the flawed procedure. Also constantly changing documentation that needed to be submitted to do releases and not telling anyone was a good one.

I don't have any of that any more I get to do within reason what I need to with the full knowledge that if I get it wrong I will be sacked something that I am perfectly happy with.

chris955

isgraham

I did and Im much better for it too thanks.

Pollyana

isgraham

Well it's been bonus day today and I have done better in 1 year here (London) than I did in 5 years in Sydney. That house in mosman is getting closer all the time.

BadgeIsBack

Surely you joke? It's clear to me that there are two tracks for expats in Australia - the bogan backwater jobs and professional jobs.

Don't tell me you are another IT support/network/'engineer' helpdesk type - these are the TAFE types in my experience?!

Even the Indians who can't speak English particularly well have masters et cetera.

I say it varies - I've only had one bad mob - and they had battler written all over the place...I just left and learnt from the experience. (The calibre of people was TAFE...)

If anything, things are not proceduralised enough - yet IT demands some sort of process or procedure...! most people realise this.

ChopNess

How ignorant of you. I'll respond with my own batch of ignorance. Don't tell me you're another bullshit policy pusher who doesn't actually know anything about IT.

BadgeIsBack

not at all... I am an allrounder and have observed much of it...

so perhaps we can avoid ignorance and stop silly things about entire professions in any one country?

IvanM

Another dev due for offshoring.

Are you just as patronizing to tradies?