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Old Jul 17th 2015, 11:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Swerv-o
This is a huge shame, as the nice pub culture is something I truly miss about the UK. Not sure how it is in the south West, but I hope there is some last vestige of charm and character left, and it isn't all Weatherspoons.

I'm back for a month at Christmas, so I guess I'll find out then...


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Rest assured the pub culture is alive and well.
Yes there are Weathersoons and harvesters and Fayre and Simple ( a chain I discovered tonight when seeking a late pint) but there are also a multitude of traditional familiar "local" pubs all across the country. Even the chain pub tonight had a traditional welcome and a good beer garden, and I went there after visiting three traditional pubs within 15 minutes walk. The majority of my experience these days is London/Gatwick/Brighton/Bristol/Somerset/Wiltshire and I have no problem finding good honest pubs. But I know they also exist in their hundreds across the rest of the UK -thank goodness!

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Old Jul 19th 2015, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Hutch
2) The Roads. I might have gone soft but I cannot believe how narrow the roads are.
Yeah, tell me about it. I rented a dinky, little Merc recently in Bournemouth and wasn't happy about switching from big to small, but after a day on the roads I reckon I would have been better off with a scooter Bali-style. Roads are ridiculously narrow at times, but what's completely insane is that on those narrow roads people are still allowed to park. So with two cars unable to pass it can become rather chaotic.

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5) Mobiles. This is one area in which Australia shits on the UK from a very great height. I couldn’t believe how patchy the phone reception was and how singularly shite the mobile internet was.
I noticed this too and it's rather unexplainable because many countries in Europe have top-notch mobile operators with terrific internet speeds and flawless coverage. I just don't get why the UK has problems with putting its operators in line and getting them to up their game. Then again the only people who have problems in the UK are... non EE customers. Switch to EE and the experience is light years ahead of the rest of the pack.

Originally Posted by Hutch
6) Supermarkets. No contest on this one - the UK’s supermarkets are superior in every single regard. Quality, range of products, pricing, service - all better.
Agreed, though it's worth noting that Australia doesn't seem to cater to anything other than the average base customer, so Woolworths and Coles it is. There is no Waitrose or M&S equivalent here.

Originally Posted by Hutch
9) Pubs. The removal of all character from all pubs in the UK continues and it’s a ****ing disgrace. Wetherspoons everywhere and all the old boozers I drank in have been replaced by anodyne metro-pubs with stripped pine tables and chairs and lounges so awkward to sit on you wonder if they’re for display purposes only.
This started, albeit at a much slower pace, before the turn of the millennium. I too cannot fathom why a pub would choose to lose all its character... at a cost. Maybe it's aimed at bringing in the young crowd who couldn't tell a pub from a dentist's office if it wasn't for the stack of bottles on the wall...

Originally Posted by Hutch
10) London. Definitely not the city I went to college in, lived in and worked in.
Overcrowded. Never got that feeling in Singapore or Tokyo, but I have in London. Masses of tourists focusing on the city even though the best of the UK can be found outside London...

Originally Posted by Hutch
12) Quality of life. Your mileage may vary but there’s no comparison for us - Oz is miles better. Here in the UK everything seems to revolve around a way of spending money - but our weekends in OZ are about exploring, visiting new areas, snorkelling, walking in the numerous parks or entertaining friends. Healthcare is excellent for us (and we have no private medical), schools are first rate, so no complaints from us on that front.
I don't quite find OZ to be an outdoors nation or one that explores much, most people I have met seem to just shuttle between word/school and home and on weekends they don't do much. Heck, even on a 3 week break most don't venture too far out (or anywhere). Not sure about the Healthcare beyond GP visits which work quite well here with the Medicare card.

Originally Posted by Hutch
13) Growing up. They all seemed pretty obsessed with labels of one kind or another whereas my son couldn’t give a shit whose logo was on his t-shirt. Also the girls his age seemed to dress like 25 year olds and spend their time trying to get into pubs and clubs. Seems to me that the kids in Australia are happy to be kids for a lot longer than their UK counterparts. Not sure if there’s any difference in the ages they all start shagging, or indeed if that’s any different from when I was a kid, but it seems to be primary focus of the teenage girls we’ve met on this trip according to their parents.
That really varies. Some kids - surprisingly to the delight of their parents - are strongly brand-orientated at an early age. I could never understand this as I personally do not give a rat's ass about what brand of pants I wear. All this is usually a result of a) parental upbringing b) peer pressure c) advertising. Take your pick and mix as to what results you will get and where...
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Hey Hutch,

Loved reading about your comparisons. I have to agree 100% with you. I have lived in Sydney for over 6 years and Perth for a few months on another visit, but am in the UK at present in Worcestershire.

I'm working at the high likelihood of getting back into Sydney sometime later this year before Chrsitmas, to work and live with the aim of gaining my Citizenship.

The UK economy and attitude in general has put me off again. It seems to never change. I have family here but feel my best efforts here are not doing them or me and good.... therefore, I'm highly considering a move back to Sydney. or wherever I can secure a job offer in Australia.

Would it be alright to ask you any advice on where currently I could find work? Reliable/good Agencies or anything you may know of off hand? Any help/info would be gratefully received. PM me if you wish. Again, great story and enjoyed reading it
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Great review, I agree with nearly all of that.

I got back yesterday from a 3 week trip. The countryside is beautiful plus the birds and butterflies in the garden are great, I love the dawn chorus.

Everything else was shit, driving, expensive prices, pubs (all my old haunts were nearly all empty plus prices have gone through the roof), dickhead "Border Force" staff. I don't think I'll ever be going back now my dad is dead.
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I was there a few weeks ago

Traditional pub culture still exists and will always be around to a degree but it is getting less and less all the time - just as the dire 'culture' of Wetherspoons, Yates etc rises. Wetherspoons are shit. Sure they are cheap but the atmosphere in most of their places is awful and they serve dog food

Alcohol prices were interesting. Yes, you can pay GBP2 for a pint in some places but they are usually dumps. In one trendy but totally going off bar in Manchester, I was paying GBP6.50 - basically up with Perth prices

Booze in supermarkets is dirt cheap

Driving is a major PITA. Heavy traffic everywhere. You do notice the courtesy of drivers there but driving standards are no better than Australia

Everyone drives nice cars. You see nice vehicles parked outside shithole houses

I found 4G coverage to be excellent most places that I went - Google maps was a life saver

A lot of groceries are cheaper but a lot isn't - swings and roundabouts

Eating out is generally of a lower standard than Australia

Service standards are generally low but then they are here too

Technology prices (apart from phones) are ridiculous. Stuff is 15-30% more than in Australia and there is no bargaining

I went to 3 northern cities - Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield - and they are all physically pretty grim places. Some nice architecture interspersed among a sea of grey, bland and run down. Saying that the people are generally pretty friendly (especially in Liverpool) and the night life is good

Everywhere I went the pavements were filthy and broken, smeared in chewing gum, litter all over the place. They cannot repair roads properly. Full stop. Some of the surfaces were a f**king disgrace and like something out of the 3rd world

The countryside is so lovely and was a highlight

Overall I had a great time. Met up with some old friends from SA days, went to my brother's wedding, drank in some superb, friendly pubs. If I had to live there again I could but it would be a struggle. The great job opportunities for me, coupled with the top contracting rates on offer and the truly awesome tax avoidance possibilities may prove too strong a lure and a few years could possibly be spent there - never, ever permanent though

Oh, and British girls, overall, have massive tits and dress like sluts - top eye candy and no complaints from me

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Oh, and British girls, overall, have massive tits and dress like sluts - top eye candy and no complaints from me
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Oh, and British girls, overall, have massive tits and dress like sluts - top eye candy and no complaints from me
OK, that's good enough a reason to head back to Blightly as any!
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OK, that's good enough a reason to head back to Blightly as any!
Definitely something in the water that other countries don't seem to have.
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Definitely something in the water that other countries don't seem to have.
If I could, I'd import some of what they are drinking, add it to the taps back home and I'll make a right royal killing here in Singapore
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If I could, I'd import some of what they are drinking, add it to the taps back home and I'll make a right royal killing here in Singapore
You'll need triple dosage
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Originally Posted by astera
There is no Waitrose or M&S equivalent here.
Not as a chain-store, no. But there are many many great independent grocers.


Originally Posted by astera
I don't quite find OZ to be an outdoors nation or one that explores much, most people I have met seem to just shuttle between word/school and home and on weekends they don't do much. Heck, even on a 3 week break most don't venture too far out (or anywhere).
Never confuse Queensland with Australia.

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Never confuse Queensland with Australia.

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That piece of advice is golden.
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Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
Not as a chain-store, no. But there are many many great independent grocers.
Haven't seen any. One of my wife's friends told her that she absolutely has to visit this one place, called something like Miss Flannegan's, and that she would never shop elsewhere once she saw the place.

My, what a frigging mistake that was. All this organic nonsense, no real food but just seeds and stuff... it felt like the sort of place you go to to get grub for your pet parrot or hamster. This was my remake of "Gone in 60 Seconds."

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Never confuse Queensland with Australia.

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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Oh, and British girls, overall, have massive tits and dress like sluts - top eye candy and no complaints from me
Girls is probably the correct term - lots of 13/14/15 yr olds look and dress like 21 yr olds.
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Girls is probably the correct term - lots of 13/14/15 yr olds look and dress like 21 yr olds.
I meant women

Sorry for the confusion
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