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Tegwyn Aug 8th 2007 2:14 am
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Originally Posted by 6000 (Post 5162895)
Yes. Of course I do. Nothing annoys me more than seeing people (especially kids) in cars without seatbelts.
I also take precautions against being a victim of crime, as I have said. Lots.



Absolutely agree that the Government needs to do more about crime. And absolutely agree that there are problems there with their denialism in some respects.
That's why I have advocated my view on many occasions:

No point in denialism. No point in hysteria/paranoia.

Neither of those approaches benefits anyone except the criminals who, on the one hand, are allowed "free rein" and on the other ruin peoples lives and personal freedom without even laying a hand on them. It's akin to what Al Qaeda have set out to do in the UK - and what the UK has (generally) heroically resisted thus far.

EDIT: Please take this in context - I really don't want to see "6000 says SA criminals are like Al Qaeda" in future threads! :D
6000, I'm a born realist, and that proverbial spade remains a spade instead of a shovel. As for your comments on Al-Qaeda. Well, keep up the words and the U.S. may well invade you. ;)

whalewatcher Aug 8th 2007 2:45 am
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Originally Posted by 6000 (Post 5162895)
I really don't want to see "6000 says SA criminals are like Al Qaeda" in future threads!
UK victims of Islamist terrorist attacks since 9-11-2001, about 50.
SA murder rate, per day, about 50.
No comparison really.

Campbells Aug 8th 2007 7:51 am
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Originally Posted by whalewatcher (Post 5163945)
UK victims of Islamist terrorist attacks since 9-11-2001, about 50.
SA murder rate, per day, about 50.
No comparison really.
That about sums it it :thumbup:

Redlippie Aug 8th 2007 2:47 pm
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Amazing how many people I know whose 'perceptions' changed, the moment they or their children were held at gunpoint in their own homes, or hijacked by armed men, some of them with little children in the car, who had to scramble to get them out before the thieves took off.

Security bars and dogs do not keep the crims out. A sad case in the paper a few weeks ago, one of the the many that occur daily over there, and has happened to people we all know, involved a grandpa getting shot in his son's house, in an extremely secure gated complex in Pretoria. Anyone who thinks that the bars and dogs will keep them safe, is sadly mistaken.

kiwibok Aug 10th 2007 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Redlippie (Post 5166091)
Amazing how many people I know whose 'perceptions' changed, the moment they or their children were held at gunpoint in their own homes, or hijacked by armed men, some of them with little children in the car, who had to scramble to get them out before the thiefs took off.

Security bars and dogs do not keep the crims out. A sad case in the paper a few weeks ago, one of the the many that occur daily over there, and has happened to people we all know, involved a grandpa getting shot in his son's house, in an extremely secure gated complex in Pretoria. Anyone who thinks that the bars and dogs will keep them safe, is sadly mistaken.
very true, and it does not even take such an experience to get the hell out. Just the thought of such an experience after my daughter was born haunted me continuously while still in SA, even though nothing ever happened and may never have happened. But the thought of it happening was enough for me.

Security bars can keep the criminals out to an extent, but they are also the very things that can end up costing you your life.

'I heard the children screaming'
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...159326,00.html

Mitzyboy Aug 10th 2007 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by kiwibok (Post 5175478)
very true, and it does not even take such an experience to get the hell out. Just the thought of such an experience after my daughter was born haunted me continuously while still in SA, even though nothing ever happened and may never have happened. But the thought of it happening was enough for me.

Security bars can keep the criminals out to an extent, but they are also the very things that can end up costing you your life.

'I heard the children screaming'
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...159326,00.html
Terrible story .... shocking. I have to say I worry also, because our house has spanish wrought iron bars at all the windows and if we were unable to get to the front door then we would be trapped. The only other way would be a 40 ft drop off the balcony!

Its a catch 22 situation isn't it. You need to protect yourself, but overprotection can clearly work both ways!

Redlippie Aug 11th 2007 2:14 am
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Mitzyboy Aug 11th 2007 3:44 am
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Originally Posted by Redlippie (Post 5176547)
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Eh? :confused:

Campbells Aug 11th 2007 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by Redlippie (Post 5176547)
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Nice one :D

Mitzyboy Aug 11th 2007 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by Campbells (Post 5177584)
Nice one :D

Obviously to subtle for me, sorry :rolleyes:

Redlippie Aug 11th 2007 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by Campbells (Post 5177584)
Nice one :D
I quoted myself - used to the edit button being there, didn't even look before I posted... :lol:


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