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That sentence alone should be a red flag. No, make that a neon sign flashing WARNING!!! We may prattle on about politics and such, but you have a larger concern to deal with by the sounds of it.

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Blame it on the expats mate. Mbeki and his cronies all do....and the sheeple fall for it every time.....

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Yah SA is like it is because we left. It’s all my fault. I went on a walk with my two year old last night at 9:30pm. Would I have done that in SA? NO….Way…..

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Oh come off it. If I ignore everything I told everyone gets ansty, if I agree he might have rose coloured glasses on, you say I've got bigger fish to fry than SA. :frown:

I'll worry about the relationship, you lot worry about the politics eh?

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Hardly nasty at all. You asked questions, you got answers and you did not like them. That's fine. Really, it is up to you to follow your heart. You have clearly indicated that you question what you have been told. I'm not in least concerned about your relationship nor interested as it has nothing to do with me. However, you chose to offer your doubts on your partner's word. Make peace with it. ;)

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You know you should no get too worked up. These are all opinions. Personally I hope you have a wonderful experience and everything goes just perfectly for you. You don’t have kids and are still young; you can have a really good time. There are many reasons for people’s opinions on here; you should take them with a grain of salt. The advice for you to be cautious is not unfounded, just take it for what it is advice.

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I echo your sentiments Hatfield. Really do hope she has a good experience and more importantly a safe one. I would want no less if it were my daughter moving overseas with her partner. :thumbup:

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I just wonder if she has thought about how far away she will be? I as I know the rest of do you miss my fam over there terribly. The chunks of years that go by between seeing them are ever so hard. If she is strong she will do fine if not she will fold quickly and get the hell out I’m sure BF or not.

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You're right, not nasty, ansty!

I'm certainly not getting worked up over this, there is a clearly a big clique here with a chain of command that I'm not yet used to! Having looked at the post history I can see I'm not the first one to be force fed 'SA = certain death'. In one light it seems like people are saying you ought to be aware of crime, in another they say it's inevitable, so I'm rather lost.

I'm not going to understand the politics of SA either now or even after a year living there, so I'm not going to get into it!

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It is far away, and I miss my family, especially during the holidays. Saddest thing for me is that my hubs and I never had Christmas with either of our families because the school holidays were so short here. Long way to go for a week, so we would go in July every couple of years which is not the best weatherwise. Too late now as both my parents have passed away. This is going to be our very first New Year in Scotland, as we are going over to do something with hubby's Mum. FIL died in September and this is her first holiday without him which is a tough one. December in SA is usually a lovely time of year but my sister was telling me that they have been have some really tough storms. Bit different from the norm.

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That’s the funny thing about SA forums there is very little room in the middle. I think it is a good indicator to how things are over there. Everyone picks a side and refrains from compromising. I don’t know that I would consider crime a political issue; I think you will find it is very much a way of life. I think you will find that SA is a very bipolar place to live; it has its extreme ups and equally extreme downs. Regard less of what you read on here or what the BF tells you prepare to have your mind blown, nothing can prepare you for the spectacle that is Africa.

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There is no such clique. There are a few of us who lived in Johannesburg for decades and have lived in the first world for a decade or so and so are able to understand the challenges someone like you, who comes from the first world, faces when they decide to move to S.A.

None of us said it is inevitable. What we said is that it MIGHT happen to you, that there is a good probability that you will be touched by crime, but that is up the roll of the dice whether you experience it or not.

The stories we tell are not to frighten you but to make you aware that this is what people in S.A. have experienced and are experiencing as I type, so that you're aware that you are not deciding to move to Benidorm or the Algarve; it is a very different place to what you are used to.

It is wonderful. No doubt about it. The 'Remembering Africa' thread has some wonderful memories. But, it is a different world to the one you're used to, and you should be prepared for it.

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Excellent observation. There is not one single SA forum out there that is not contentious - the issues are very real.

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Oh please!

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I was considering the politics as being the separate topic that seems to have branched from this one, where there is the one member currently living in SA and the rest of the members on the other side of the fence.
Thank you for the advice that is helpful, waiting and seeing is certainly easy, if a bit nerve wracking! Just 5 weeks to go!
Tegwyn, big storms certainly arn't going to deter me. ;)

And not one person has suggested being hit by severe crime is anything but inevitable!