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Apr 29th 2001, 3:31 am
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[usenetquote2]> >Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers. So[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you are talking about.[/usenetquote2]
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Apr 29th 2001, 3:38 am
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That is why they are called "the brightest and the best"
They have better math skills than f**king idiots like you so they know how to save
money just for days like these. They don't have to learn difference between checking
and savings at the age of 40 years.
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[usenetquote2]> >Hello,[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >The company has made nothing but empty promises.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >I am being laid off pretty soon. To successfully do an H1-B to H1-B transfer,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >don't I need my pay stubs until the last day of employment?[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >I do have the option to revert to my old H4 status, but then will I have[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >to H1 more easily now, since I did hold an H1 earlier?[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >What obligations does my employer have if they lay me off? What if they declare[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >bankruptcy? Can I possibly do an H1 to H1 transfer without paystubs for the last 2[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >months? If I don't get paid, what legal action can I take against these liars and[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >cheats? I would love to take them down.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >I am in the Washington DC area. Advice will be greatly appreciated.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >Hello,[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >I am currently working at a company on H1-B status. I originally came to[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >The company has made nothing but empty promises.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >I am being laid off pretty soon. To successfully do an H1-B to H1-B transfer,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >don't I need my pay stubs until the last day of employment?[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >I do have the option to revert to my old H4 status, but then will I have[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >to H1 more easily now, since I did hold an H1 earlier?[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >What obligations does my employer have if they lay me off? What if they declare[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >bankruptcy? Can I possibly do an H1 to H1 transfer without paystubs for the last 2[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >months? If I don't get paid, what legal action can I take against these liars and[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >cheats? I would love to take them down.[/usenetquote2]
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Apr 29th 2001, 5:05 am
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[usenetquote2]>> >Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers. So[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you are talking about.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> Then you won't mind as we the U.S. citizens we remove the "Cisco" THREAT, from the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> shores of the USA.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> When a company turn's cannibalistic against those who created it, then it needs to[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> be eliminated. Or, at the very least reduced to a mere shell of a company.[/usenetquote2]
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Far from it.. When corporations pervert our system of government, too destroy the
standard of living, for it citizens. Then, they become the problem that the citizens
must rectify.
Using government to gain some advantage, is traditionally a socialistic behavior. It
this case H1-B has been used by these corporations, to increase wage and job
competition in our industry too the point of collapse.
In summary, it's the corporations which have used traditional socialistic methods to
interfere with the U.S. labor markets.
It't time the corporations found out the real consequences of their actions! Boycott
all products made by these irresponsible corporations! I.E. Intel, Cisco, HP,
MIcrosoft, Federal Express, etc.
They deserve no support from the American people.
Tim Keating [email protected] (Note: remove numeric digits from email address
before responding.)
[usenetquote2]>> >Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers. So[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you are talking about.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> Then you won't mind as we the U.S. citizens we remove the "Cisco" THREAT, from the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> shores of the USA.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> When a company turn's cannibalistic against those who created it, then it needs to[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> be eliminated. Or, at the very least reduced to a mere shell of a company.[/usenetquote2]
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Far from it.. When corporations pervert our system of government, too destroy the
standard of living, for it citizens. Then, they become the problem that the citizens
must rectify.
Using government to gain some advantage, is traditionally a socialistic behavior. It
this case H1-B has been used by these corporations, to increase wage and job
competition in our industry too the point of collapse.
In summary, it's the corporations which have used traditional socialistic methods to
interfere with the U.S. labor markets.
It't time the corporations found out the real consequences of their actions! Boycott
all products made by these irresponsible corporations! I.E. Intel, Cisco, HP,
MIcrosoft, Federal Express, etc.
They deserve no support from the American people.
Tim Keating [email protected] (Note: remove numeric digits from email address
before responding.)
Apr 29th 2001, 5:32 am
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Well, maybe it's wrong in the first place to prevent companies from hiring foreign
workers. In this sense, those companies didn't get any advantage, they simply
minimized a disadvantage.
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Why not GLOBAL labor markets? Aren't you good enough to compete globally? What are
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I am buying their stock, instead...
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Let's the market decide that, ok?
Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
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Well, maybe it's wrong in the first place to prevent companies from hiring foreign
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Why not GLOBAL labor markets? Aren't you good enough to compete globally? What are
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I am buying their stock, instead...
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Let's the market decide that, ok?
Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 29th 2001, 5:51 am
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Tim Keating wrote:
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Well, maybe it's wrong in the first place to prevent companies from hiring foreign
workers. In this sense, those companies didn't get any advantage, they simply
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I am buying their stock, instead...
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Let the market decide that, ok?
Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
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Well, maybe it's wrong in the first place to prevent companies from hiring foreign
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Why not GLOBAL labor markets? Aren't you good enough to compete globally? What are
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I am buying their stock, instead...
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Let the market decide that, ok?
Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 29th 2001, 6:26 am
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Hey guys if you look at this moron's sig he is a mother****ing Loonitarian, even
worse a ****ing Randite Loonitarian (the Looniest of the Loonitarians). Its like
arguing with religious fanatics.
Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the maximum
buck by whatever means possible and that mode of thought will work as long as the
current 20 year expansion keeps a large number of Americans happy and content. If
things go south and enough Americans get screwed, then the corporations may very well
regret being "poor corporate citizens" and the blatant buying and selling of our
corrupt shithole government. In such a climate and the continuation of
corporate/Asshole Rich control of our government, I believe that Americans will
question the current "Taxation without Representation" status quo.
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worse a ****ing Randite Loonitarian (the Looniest of the Loonitarians). Its like
arguing with religious fanatics.
Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the maximum
buck by whatever means possible and that mode of thought will work as long as the
current 20 year expansion keeps a large number of Americans happy and content. If
things go south and enough Americans get screwed, then the corporations may very well
regret being "poor corporate citizens" and the blatant buying and selling of our
corrupt shithole government. In such a climate and the continuation of
corporate/Asshole Rich control of our government, I believe that Americans will
question the current "Taxation without Representation" status quo.
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Apr 29th 2001, 7:14 am
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Except for the fact that you (a) don't understand the culture, (b) most off-shore
development managers are former US employees (i.e. H1B returnees, US educated, etc)
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and (c) there can only be that many managers of a dinky software project...
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You keep calling for a boycott of these companies, but you aren't even following
the boycott* yourself. That makes you look kind of foolish.
*You wouldn't be participating in these newsgroups or any part of usenet if you were.
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You keep calling for a boycott of these companies, but you aren't even following
the boycott* yourself. That makes you look kind of foolish.
*You wouldn't be participating in these newsgroups or any part of usenet if you were.
Apr 29th 2001, 7:37 am
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If you hate America so much why don't you just get the hell out, eh asshole?
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[usenetquote2]> > Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers. So[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you are talking about.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Regards, Carlos Antunes.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > > Cisco is an American firm who made their success off their American workers.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers. So[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you are talking about.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Regards, Carlos Antunes.[/usenetquote2]
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No, it points out that the logical implications of your claims are missing in the
real world. Hence, your theories are suspect. There are jobs being created in India
and there are jobs being created here. No net migration of jobs from the US to India.
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[usenetquote2]> >If there were a migration to India from US in IT, wouldn't IT employment[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> is currently a migration of programming jobs, Development and Maintance from the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> US to India, There is nothing that will stop this. IBM, FORD and other large[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> companies have announced increases in Indian positions.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> There is a large H1-B , American trained, Indian workforce, willing to accept[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> lower wages, experenced, ready to assume positions.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> In the near future any maintance/ developmental programming for large[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> corporations, that can be, probably will be done off shore.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> If I were a programmer I would be considering a move to management and an[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> >What about firing Americans who are nimrods, dipshikts and morons and replacing[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> >> foreign workers thus delivering a lower quality product to their mostly[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> >> We have a population of less than 300 million in the US. India has[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> >> >> And unethical companies such as Intel, Cisco, Oracle, HP give them free[/usenetquote2]
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real world. Hence, your theories are suspect. There are jobs being created in India
and there are jobs being created here. No net migration of jobs from the US to India.
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[usenetquote2]> >If there were a migration to India from US in IT, wouldn't IT employment[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >the US be falling right now? It isn't.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> The whole H1-B displacement of American IT workers is kinda a moot point. There[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> is currently a migration of programming jobs, Development and Maintance from the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> US to India, There is nothing that will stop this. IBM, FORD and other large[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> companies have announced increases in Indian positions.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> There is a large H1-B , American trained, Indian workforce, willing to accept[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> lower wages, experenced, ready to assume positions.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> American companies are setting up IT shops in India,They are forming alliances[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> with Indian universities.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> In the near future any maintance/ developmental programming for large[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> corporations, that can be, probably will be done off shore.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> If I were a programmer I would be considering a move to management and an[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> investment in learning a foreign language.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:30:19 -0500, "John Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >What about firing Americans who are nimrods, dipshikts and morons and replacing[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >them with smarter people? What about that? Some Americans[/usenetquote2]
are
[usenetquote2]> >> >morons, just like in every other group of humans. If someone fired[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >ass[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >and replaced you wth an H-1B that would only be a tragedy if the H-1B[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >were a[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >bigger idiot than you. Since that is impossible, shut yer yap.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> It is unethical to fire Americans and replace them with lower[/usenetquote2]
quality
[usenetquote2]> >> >> foreign workers thus delivering a lower quality product to their mostly[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> AMERICAN customers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> We have a population of less than 300 million in the US. India has[/usenetquote2]
a
[usenetquote2]> >> >> population of 1 billion. Why doesn't every American company fire[/usenetquote2]
each
[usenetquote2]> >> >> and every American worker and either send those jobs to India or import them[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> as replacements? They can claim they are lowering costs-- is this ethical?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:37:58 GMT, Carlos Antunes[/usenetquote2]
<[email protected]>
[usenetquote2]> >> >> wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >Dan wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >> And unethical companies such as Intel, Cisco, Oracle, HP give them free[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >> training in India so they can come to the US to[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >replace[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >> their more expensive counterparts.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >And since when is it unethical to lower costs?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >Regards, Carlos Antunes.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >--[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> >"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> > sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> > -- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld[/usenetquote2]
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Carlos, you asshole, how can any American whose cost of living is exponentially
higher compete with someone from the third world? In India, you can live off $2,000 a
month. How can any American worker compete with that? You ****ing idiot.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 05:51:27 GMT, Carlos Antunes <[email protected]> wrote:
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month. How can any American worker compete with that? You ****ing idiot.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 05:51:27 GMT, Carlos Antunes <[email protected]> wrote:
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Apr 29th 2001, 7:52 am
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It isn't America that we are unhappy with, it is the whores running it who sell out
to corporate interests and greed.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:37:15 -0500, "John Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote:
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[usenetquote2]>> Hey guys if you look at this moron's sig he is a mother****ing Loonitarian, even[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> worse a ****ing Randite Loonitarian (the Looniest of the Loonitarians). Its like[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> arguing with religious[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> maximum buck by whatever means possible and that mode of[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> will work as long as the current 20 year expansion keeps a large number of[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Americans happy and content. If things go south and enough Americans get screwed,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> then the corporations may very well regret being "poor corporate citizens" and the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> blatant buying and selling of our corrupt shithole government. In such a climate[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> and the continuation of corporate/Asshole Rich control of our government, I[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> believe that Americans will question the current "Taxation without Representation"[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> status quo.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Jay[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Carlos Antunes wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > Dan wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > > Cisco is an American firm who made their success off their American workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > So what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you are talking about.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > > Now since they are established, they fire these American workers and replace[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > > them with foreign labor.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > Makes all the sense for a company to reduce their costs and increase their[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > profits. Where's the problem?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > Regards, Carlos Antunes.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > "I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > -- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Killfiled Trolls/Idiots: Jacobson, Goldman.[/usenetquote2]
to corporate interests and greed.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:37:15 -0500, "John Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote:
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[usenetquote2]>> Hey guys if you look at this moron's sig he is a mother****ing Loonitarian, even[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> worse a ****ing Randite Loonitarian (the Looniest of the Loonitarians). Its like[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> arguing with religious[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> maximum buck by whatever means possible and that mode of[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> will work as long as the current 20 year expansion keeps a large number of[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Americans happy and content. If things go south and enough Americans get screwed,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> then the corporations may very well regret being "poor corporate citizens" and the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> blatant buying and selling of our corrupt shithole government. In such a climate[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> and the continuation of corporate/Asshole Rich control of our government, I[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> believe that Americans will question the current "Taxation without Representation"[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> status quo.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> Jay[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Carlos Antunes wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > Dan wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > > Cisco is an American firm who made their success off their American workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > So what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you are talking about.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > > Now since they are established, they fire these American workers and replace[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > > them with foreign labor.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > >[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> > Makes all the sense for a company to reduce their costs and increase their[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > profits. Where's the problem?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > Regards, Carlos Antunes.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > "I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > -- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Killfiled Trolls/Idiots: Jacobson, Goldman.[/usenetquote2]
Apr 29th 2001, 8:02 am
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Wow, you really don't know your economics at all. American programmers are actually
more economical despite our higher salaries. Our productivity is higher in all the
studies I've seen and exceeds the salary differential, when you include all the extra
costs of doing software development overseas. American programmers not only can
compete, but they have been successfully competing now for many years. American
programmers provide sufficient bang for the buck that they are tough to beat, no
matter what salaries foreign programmers might charge (programmer salaries are only
one small component of total cost). If this were not the case, foreign programmers
would have taken all the business away from American programmers many years ago. But
that did not happen did it? (and is not happening now either.)
Both the facts and the theory contradict your view.
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more economical despite our higher salaries. Our productivity is higher in all the
studies I've seen and exceeds the salary differential, when you include all the extra
costs of doing software development overseas. American programmers not only can
compete, but they have been successfully competing now for many years. American
programmers provide sufficient bang for the buck that they are tough to beat, no
matter what salaries foreign programmers might charge (programmer salaries are only
one small component of total cost). If this were not the case, foreign programmers
would have taken all the business away from American programmers many years ago. But
that did not happen did it? (and is not happening now either.)
Both the facts and the theory contradict your view.
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[usenetquote2]> >you afraid of?[/usenetquote2]
Apr 29th 2001, 8:03 am
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You can always leave and go someplace without a govt doing any such thing, like the
Cayman Islands.
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[usenetquote2]> >If you hate America so much why don't you just get the hell out, eh[/usenetquote2]
asshole?
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Hey guys if you look at this moron's sig he is a mother****ing Loonitarian, even[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> worse a ****ing Randite Loonitarian (the Looniest of the Loonitarians). Its like[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> arguing with religious[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >fanatics.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> maximum buck by whatever means possible and that mode of[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >thought[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> will work as long as the current 20 year expansion keeps a large number of[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Americans happy and content. If things go south and enough[/usenetquote2]
Americans
[usenetquote2]> >> get screwed, then the corporations may very well regret being "poor corporate[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> citizens" and the blatant buying and selling of our corrupt shithole government.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> In such a climate and the continuation of corporate/Asshole Rich control of our[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> government, I believe that Americans will question the current "Taxation without[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Representation" status quo.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Jay[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Carlos Antunes wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Dan wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > > Cisco is an American firm who made their success off their American workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > So what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you[/usenetquote2]
are
[usenetquote2]> >> > talking about.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > > Now since they are established, they fire these American workers and replace[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > > them with foreign labor.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Makes all the sense for a company to reduce their costs and increase their[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > profits. Where's the problem?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Regards, Carlos Antunes.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > "I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > -- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Killfiled Trolls/Idiots: Jacobson, Goldman.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> >> Hey guys if you look at this moron's sig he is a mother****ing Loonitarian, even[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> worse a ****ing Randite Loonitarian (the Looniest of the Loonitarians). Its like[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> arguing with religious[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >fanatics.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> maximum buck by whatever means possible and that mode of[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >thought[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> will work as long as the current 20 year expansion keeps a large number of[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Americans happy and content. If things go south and enough[/usenetquote2]
Americans
[usenetquote2]> >> get screwed, then the corporations may very well regret being "poor corporate[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> citizens" and the blatant buying and selling of our corrupt shithole government.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> In such a climate and the continuation of corporate/Asshole Rich control of our[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> government, I believe that Americans will question the current "Taxation without[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Representation" status quo.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Jay[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Carlos Antunes wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Dan wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > > Cisco is an American firm who made their success off their American workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Now Cisco wants to continue to be successful using Indian and Chinese workers.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > So what? Cisco owes nothing to those American workers you[/usenetquote2]
are
[usenetquote2]> >> > talking about.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > > Now since they are established, they fire these American workers and replace[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > > them with foreign labor.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Makes all the sense for a company to reduce their costs and increase their[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > profits. Where's the problem?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > Regards, Carlos Antunes.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > "I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > -- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >>[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> --[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> Killfiled Trolls/Idiots: Jacobson, Goldman.[/usenetquote2]
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Apr 29th 2001, 8:09 am
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No ****ing shit Jacobshill! American programmers are actually more productive than
their Indian counterparts. But this doesn't stop the CEOs and IT managers from hiring
H1s and sending work offshore. All they see is lower cost per headcount even though
it may take 10 H1 visa workers (or third world wokers) to do the job of one American.
Newsflash: Foreign workers are taking business away from American programmers. Take a
reality pill man. The American IT professional will soon be a thing of the past (just
like the American factory worker).
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[usenetquote2]>> $2,000 a month. How can any American worker compete with that? You ****ing idiot.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 05:51:27 GMT, Carlos Antunes <[email protected]> wrote:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2]
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their Indian counterparts. But this doesn't stop the CEOs and IT managers from hiring
H1s and sending work offshore. All they see is lower cost per headcount even though
it may take 10 H1 visa workers (or third world wokers) to do the job of one American.
Newsflash: Foreign workers are taking business away from American programmers. Take a
reality pill man. The American IT professional will soon be a thing of the past (just
like the American factory worker).
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[usenetquote2]>> Carlos, you asshole, how can any American whose cost of living is exponentially[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> higher compete with someone from the third world? In India, you can live off[/usenetquote2]
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