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Old Jun 16th 2016, 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Nutmegger
More nasty stuff. A Yorkshire MP has been shot and knifed in her constituency.

Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack - BBC News
I assume it is still illegal to own handguns in the UK
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Originally Posted by mrken30
I assume it is still illegal to own handguns in the UK
If they would just ban MPs, that would never have happened ...
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If they would just ban MPs, that would never have happened ...
Machine pistols?
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Machine pistols?


Not quite.
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Machine pistols?
As in MP-5s
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Americans gloating over a gun death in the UK is the worst part of this.
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Originally Posted by Anian
Americans gloating over a gun death in the UK is the worst part of this.
Clearly gun control doesn't work! /sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Anian
Americans gloating over a gun death in the UK is the worst part of this.
Only the asshole kind
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Originally Posted by Anian
Americans gloating over a gun death in the UK is the worst part of this.
It's only the flip side to British attitude of superiority over the lack of effective gun control in the US.

Neither is attractive.
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Old Jun 16th 2016, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
It's only the flip side to British attitude of superiority over the lack of effective gun control in the US.

Neither is attractive.
Ok, to an extent, I agree with you.
BUT.
In terms of public policy, the UK has got it just about right with firearms legislation & controls. The policy is humane, life affirming and generally effective.
The U.S., perfectly obviously, has got it wrong. To the extent that thousands of Americans die needlessly every year.
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Originally Posted by robin1234
Ok, to an extent, I agree with you.
BUT.
In terms of public policy, the UK has got it just about right with firearms legislation & controls. The policy is humane, life affirming and generally effective.
The U.S., perfectly obviously, has got it wrong. To the extent that thousands of Americans die needlessly every year.
This, like so many in the UK press, is smug and reductive. I assume you've noticed that the murder rate in the US is roughly half what it was twenty years ago and is currently at a level last seen in the early 60s:

Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014

Clearly the US hasn't just been sitting there.

Also, you make it sound as if there's an obvious and easy solution to the problem. What exactly do you propose?
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Old Jun 16th 2016, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Anian
Americans gloating over a gun death in the UK is the worst part of this.
I've not seen any Americans gloating about her death. It is sad and so unnecessary. A waste of human life.
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I propose that they enforce strict gun controls for new purchases. Bill Gates puts up $1500 for each gun handed in as an incentive. This would probably clear up about 80% of the guns out there. Or you could go the California route and just make them illegal
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Originally Posted by mrken30
I propose that they enforce strict gun controls for new purchases. Bill Gates puts up $1500 for each gun handed in as an incentive. This would probably clear up about 80% of the guns out there. Or you could go the California route and just make them illegal
That doesn't really solve the problem does it? You can still cross the state line and purchase a gun and bring it back to California.
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Obviously we don't know the assailant's story yet. But it may well be he's part of the failed 'care in the community' policy where these days the authorities seem to refuse to lock anybody up, no matter how much of a threat they may be. Seems like things have swung completely the other way, where they'd lock you up for any mental health problem and never let you out whether you were no danger or not. Why do things that are supposed to make things better always go too far and cause more problems? Like teachers being bullies to kids (some were sadistic) so they banned corporal punishment in schools, which is fair enough, but they also took away the right to use any force at all, and now the kids hit the teachers!

Both Britain and America seem to have the mental health care problems.

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