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Old Dec 8th 2015, 8:02 pm   #91
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To the centre of what? Wouldn't the centre be the middle ground between the two main parties?
Political spectrum goes like this.

Left Center Right(dems) Extreme Right(republicans)
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I don't think you understand the difference between a reservation and a concentration camp. yes many reservations are dirt poor but they are not concentration camps, that's what Europe had for jews in WW2..
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I don't think you understand the difference between a reservation and a concentration camp. yes many reservations are dirt poor but they are not concentration camps, that's what Europe had for jews in WW2..
And Americans did that to the Japanese in WW2. They may not have systematically murdered them but by definition, if you intern without trial, a group of people based solely on some identify feature, it is a concentration of people in a imprisonment camp.
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Political spectrum goes like this.

Left Center Right(dems) Extreme Right(republicans)
Have you ever taken a course on the fundamentals of political philosophy? If you have I'd ask for your money back. If you haven't then pick a copy of Sabine and Thorson, A History of Political Theory.
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Old Dec 8th 2015, 8:10 pm   #95
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You sound like a European. Everything's relative. Obama's administration - and Clinton - would fall decidedly somewhat "right of center" around here. Bernie Sanders would fall somewhere slightly left of center. The republicans - well, inexplicable.

That makes Trump look like a Hitler on this side of the pond. Nobody really believes he could actually be elected. But his continuing poll numbers are worrisome to many.

Reflects more on the American psyche than the candidate. Electing Trump is probably the single best way to destroy all that's left of any remaining American credibility in the world. But Americans seem to have a different view. As they always have.
They are "somewhat right of center around here".. Actually among serious scholars in the US they are far to the right but I guess you only watch Fox news or CNN who put out the dems are left and reps are right in a completely demagogic non-serious way.

Trump doesn't poll well in 1v1 head to head against anyone.
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But of course Trump has no hope. You should know that, republicans would never nominate him. Trump is understood to be a total charlatan, if Jeb bush said now you are talking a different ball game.

Are you sure about western European nations ending candidates if they said ban all Muslims from entering? I mean right wing anti-immigrant parties like UKIP and le pen in france and all sorts of right wing anti-immigrant parties have a much bigger following than Trump. Le pen just won the regional in France and she is WAY worse than Trump who is not even a serious politician and has no mass following. The leadership of Trump's parties the republicans ENDORSE unrestrained, unregulated immigration from all over the world to the US.
Yes, I know trump has no hope; but he still has popular support.

I can't speak about France as that election hasn't happened, however UKIP's support turned out to be lower than your posts suggest; Farage didn't get elected and the only MP they have was an incumbent from when he was a tory.

I'm not saying that there's no racism in the UK, but when you look at how people live it's less racially segregated than in the US and more based on social class.
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They are "somewhat right of center around here".. Actually among serious scholars in the US they are far to the right...
Erm, is that compared to Bernie Sanders? Bernie's equally as unelectable as Labour in the UK. Idealism doesn't solve problems. Neither does Trump-style extremism.

Somewhere rooted in reality is the real "center". Not much of that going around these days.
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So it's not important to explain that reservations where natives in North America live are completely different from concentration camps?
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Old Dec 8th 2015, 8:21 pm   #99
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Erm, is that compared to Bernie Sanders? Bernie's equally as unelectable as Labour in the UK. Idealism doesn't solve problems. Neither does Trump-style extremism.

Somewhere rooted in reality is the real "center". Not much of that going around these days.
Labour is unelectable in the UK? They are one of the two mainstream parties in the country. You mean Corbyn is unelectable?
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So it's not important to explain that reservations where natives in North America live are completely different from concentration camps?
They're not "completely" different. People of a specific ethnicity are/were trapped in each of them. The mechanisms of entrapment are different but, in both cases, those people have much reduced life expectancies due to being in the facilities. The relevance of them to this thread is simply that they're a racist institution North America has today while Europe does not; they're a counterpoint to the claim that Europe has more racism than America.

Are you disputing the racist nature of reservations?
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Labour is unelectable in the UK? They are one of the two mainstream parties in the country. You mean Corbyn is unelectable?
If you look back at UK elections in the past 35 years one of the two major parties has been unelectable for the most part. Possibly because governments in the UK are relatively long lived so when they fall apart they do so quite dramatically.
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Old Dec 8th 2015, 8:31 pm   #102
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When talking about the rising populists Trump, Le Pen, AFD, UKIP etc I think simply talking about left and right is wrong. The FN in France is really a left wing party but has an anti immigrant policy. This Telegraph article discuses this issue.

Euro regime is working like a charm for France's Marine Le Pen - Telegraph
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They're not "completely" different. People of a specific ethnicity are/were trapped in each of them. The mechanisms of entrapment are different but, in both cases, those people have much reduced life expectancies due to being in the facilities. The relevance of them to this thread is simply that they're a racist institution North America has today while Europe does not; they're a counterpoint to the claim that Europe has more racism than America.

Are you disputing the racist nature of reservations?
Racist nature of reservations? They are there on their own free will you -snip-. These are natives who want to preserve native traditions and NOT assimilate in white america/canada but they are free to do so. Those who choose to leave and many do the reservations have no problems.

reservations and concentration camps are totally different. The fact that you can't see that is troubling. Concentration camps means you are locked up and cannot leave.

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When talking about the rising populists Trump, Le Pen, AFD, UKIP etc I think simply talking about left and right is wrong. The FN in France is really a left wing party but has an anti immigrant policy. This Telegraph article discuses this issue.

Euro regime is working like a charm for France's Marine Le Pen - Telegraph
What specific policies has Le Pen layed out that would benefit workers, poor people ?? She is an undeserving beneficiary of the disillusionment with the two main parties and her anti-immigrant bashing is appealing to xenophobes.
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What specific policies has Le Pen layed out that would benefit workers, poor people ?? She is an undeserving beneficiary of the disillusionment with the two main parties and her anti-immigrant bashing is appealing to xenophobes.
From the article

The Front won 55pc of voters classified as workers (ouvriers). The Socialist Party was reduced to 15pc of what was once its core constituency, and can no longer make any plausible claim to be the voice of the French working class.

Mrs Le Pen has filled the vacuum. She has abandoned the free-market views of her father, party founder Jean-Marie Le Pen, who once espoused "Reaganomics" and vowed to shrink the state.

She is eating into the Socialist base from the Left, vowing to defend the French welfare model against the “neo-liberals” and to defeat the “dictatorship of the markets”. She calls globalisation the “law of the jungle” that allows multinationals to play off cheap labour in China against French labour.
Her plans include a national industrial strategy that swats aside EU competition law, as well as a cut in the retirement age to 60, and a “realignment of taxation against capital and in favour of workers”.
Pierre Gattaz, head of the employers federation MEDEF, calls it a radical agenda stolen from the Left
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