MikeZ

Political spectrum goes like this.

Left Center Right(dems) Extreme Right(republicans)

magnumpi

I claim Godwins law now go away little TROLL

Oink

And Americans did that to the Japanese in WW2. They may not have systematically murdered them but by definition, if you intern without trial, a group of people based solely on some identify feature, it is a concentration of people in a imprisonment camp.

Oink

Have you ever taken a course on the fundamentals of political philosophy? If you have I'd ask for your money back. If you haven't then pick a copy of Sabine and Thorson, A History of Political Theory.

MikeZ

They are "somewhat right of center around here".. Actually among serious scholars in the US they are far to the right but I guess you only watch Fox news or CNN who put out the dems are left and reps are right in a completely demagogic non-serious way.

Trump doesn't poll well in 1v1 head to head against anyone.

Alan2005

Yes, I know trump has no hope; but he still has popular support.

I can't speak about France as that election hasn't happened, however UKIP's support turned out to be lower than your posts suggest; Farage didn't get elected and the only MP they have was an incumbent from when he was a tory.

I'm not saying that there's no racism in the UK, but when you look at how people live it's less racially segregated than in the US and more based on social class.

amideislas

Erm, is that compared to Bernie Sanders? Bernie's equally as unelectable as Labour in the UK. Idealism doesn't solve problems. Neither does Trump-style extremism.

Somewhere rooted in reality is the real "center". Not much of that going around these days.

MikeZ

So it's not important to explain that reservations where natives in North America live are completely different from concentration camps?

MikeZ

Labour is unelectable in the UK? They are one of the two mainstream parties in the country. You mean Corbyn is unelectable?

dbd33

They're not "completely" different. People of a specific ethnicity are/were trapped in each of them. The mechanisms of entrapment are different but, in both cases, those people have much reduced life expectancies due to being in the facilities. The relevance of them to this thread is simply that they're a racist institution North America has today while Europe does not; they're a counterpoint to the claim that Europe has more racism than America.

Are you disputing the racist nature of reservations?

Alan2005

If you look back at UK elections in the past 35 years one of the two major parties has been unelectable for the most part. Possibly because governments in the UK are relatively long lived so when they fall apart they do so quite dramatically.

paw339

When talking about the rising populists Trump, Le Pen, AFD, UKIP etc I think simply talking about left and right is wrong. The FN in France is really a left wing party but has an anti immigrant policy. This Telegraph article discuses this issue.

Euro regime is working like a charm for France's Marine Le Pen - Telegraph

MikeZ

Racist nature of reservations? They are there on their own free will you -snip-. These are natives who want to preserve native traditions and NOT assimilate in white america/canada but they are free to do so. Those who choose to leave and many do the reservations have no problems.

reservations and concentration camps are totally different. The fact that you can't see that is troubling. Concentration camps means you are locked up and cannot leave.

MikeZ

What specific policies has Le Pen layed out that would benefit workers, poor people ?? She is an undeserving beneficiary of the disillusionment with the two main parties and her anti-immigrant bashing is appealing to xenophobes.

paw339

From the article

The Front won 55pc of voters classified as workers (ouvriers). The Socialist Party was reduced to 15pc of what was once its core constituency, and can no longer make any plausible claim to be the voice of the French working class.

Mrs Le Pen has filled the vacuum. She has abandoned the free-market views of her father, party founder Jean-Marie Le Pen, who once espoused "Reaganomics" and vowed to shrink the state.

She is eating into the Socialist base from the Left, vowing to defend the French welfare model against the “neo-liberals” and to defeat the “dictatorship of the markets”. She calls globalisation the “law of the jungle” that allows multinationals to play off cheap labour in China against French labour.
Her plans include a national industrial strategy that swats aside EU competition law, as well as a cut in the retirement age to 60, and a “realignment of taxation against capital and in favour of workers”.
Pierre Gattaz, head of the employers federation MEDEF, calls it a radical agenda stolen from the Left