Proof of income for residency
May 16th 2012, 2:32 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
block allocation to the various issueing authorities ??
May 16th 2012, 2:38 pm
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May 16th 2012, 2:52 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Until now I thought it was a sex thing we applied simultaneously, I am X and my wife is Y. it's six or seven years ago now can't recall.
May 16th 2012, 2:54 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
I hadn't realised that "Y" existed for so long. I had assumed that all foreigners were "X", but obviously not.
Actually that's a relief as I thought it might have been connected to the new rules to be implemented.
Actually that's a relief as I thought it might have been connected to the new rules to be implemented.
May 19th 2012, 10:13 am
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Whilst trying to make sense of the new rules, until the official verdict is out, I have trawled the net and eventually ended up on the Spanish Government website.
I get the impression that you must be able to prove an income greater than the level at which a Spanish national would be eligible to receive social security and also have medical insurance or the equivalent EU reciprocal arrangement ie. for pensioners.
However the dependants of those pensioners, viz. me as the spouse, must either be under 26 years old, I wish, or be disabled at 65% or more.
If what I have inferred is correct then I must take out private medical insurance to ensure that I am covered. This is of course until the whole thing is sorted out and the original reciprocal arrangement is restored, or not.
This is a googled translation of the relevant part of the new law.
Article 1. Amendment of Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS.
Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS, is amended as follows:
One is amending Article 3, which shall read as follows:
"Article 3. Of insured status.
1. Healthcare in Spain, with public funds, through the National Health System will ensure those who have the status of insured.
2. For this purpose, have the status of insured persons who are in one of the following assumptions:
a) Be employed person or self, member of the Social Security and in situations of high or assimilated to high.
b) To hold the status as a pensioner of the Social Security system.
c) Be a recipient of any other periodic benefit from Social Security, including the provision and unemployment benefits.
d) Have exhausted the benefit or unemployment benefit and included in the appropriate office registered as unemployed, not crediting the insured status under any other title.
3. Where failure to comply with any of the cases set out above, people of Spanish nationality or of any State member of the European Union, the European Economic Area or Switzerland who reside in Spain and foreigners holding a permit to reside Spanish territory, may bear the insured status provided they show proof that do not exceed the income limit determined by regulation.
4. For the purposes of the provisions of this Article, shall have the status of beneficiaries of an insured, provided they reside in Spain, the spouse or person with a similar relationship, which must prove the official entry for the former spouse by the insured and by the descendants of the same to be under 26 or have a disability equal to or greater than 65%.
5. Those who do not have the status of the insured or beneficiary thereof may obtain health care delivery by paying the relevant consideration or fee resulting from the signing of a special agreement.
6. Nothing in the preceding paragraphs of this article does not change the health care system of persons holding or receiving special schemes managed by the Social Security Mutual Society General State Civil Servants, the General Mutual Judicial and Social Institute Armed Forces, who retain their separate legal status.
In this regard, people framed in such mutual funds that have elected to receive health care through insurance entities should be treated in health facilities entered into by these entities. If you receive care in public hospitals, the expenditure for assistance to the third party must be reclaimed in accordance with current regulations. "
I get the impression that you must be able to prove an income greater than the level at which a Spanish national would be eligible to receive social security and also have medical insurance or the equivalent EU reciprocal arrangement ie. for pensioners.
However the dependants of those pensioners, viz. me as the spouse, must either be under 26 years old, I wish, or be disabled at 65% or more.
If what I have inferred is correct then I must take out private medical insurance to ensure that I am covered. This is of course until the whole thing is sorted out and the original reciprocal arrangement is restored, or not.
This is a googled translation of the relevant part of the new law.
Article 1. Amendment of Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS.
Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS, is amended as follows:
One is amending Article 3, which shall read as follows:
"Article 3. Of insured status.
1. Healthcare in Spain, with public funds, through the National Health System will ensure those who have the status of insured.
2. For this purpose, have the status of insured persons who are in one of the following assumptions:
a) Be employed person or self, member of the Social Security and in situations of high or assimilated to high.
b) To hold the status as a pensioner of the Social Security system.
c) Be a recipient of any other periodic benefit from Social Security, including the provision and unemployment benefits.
d) Have exhausted the benefit or unemployment benefit and included in the appropriate office registered as unemployed, not crediting the insured status under any other title.
3. Where failure to comply with any of the cases set out above, people of Spanish nationality or of any State member of the European Union, the European Economic Area or Switzerland who reside in Spain and foreigners holding a permit to reside Spanish territory, may bear the insured status provided they show proof that do not exceed the income limit determined by regulation.
4. For the purposes of the provisions of this Article, shall have the status of beneficiaries of an insured, provided they reside in Spain, the spouse or person with a similar relationship, which must prove the official entry for the former spouse by the insured and by the descendants of the same to be under 26 or have a disability equal to or greater than 65%.
5. Those who do not have the status of the insured or beneficiary thereof may obtain health care delivery by paying the relevant consideration or fee resulting from the signing of a special agreement.
6. Nothing in the preceding paragraphs of this article does not change the health care system of persons holding or receiving special schemes managed by the Social Security Mutual Society General State Civil Servants, the General Mutual Judicial and Social Institute Armed Forces, who retain their separate legal status.
In this regard, people framed in such mutual funds that have elected to receive health care through insurance entities should be treated in health facilities entered into by these entities. If you receive care in public hospitals, the expenditure for assistance to the third party must be reclaimed in accordance with current regulations. "
May 19th 2012, 10:20 am
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Whilst trying to make sense of the new rules, until the official verdict is out, I have trawled the net and eventually ended up on the Spanish Government website.
I get the impression that you must be able to prove an income greater than the level at which a Spanish national would be eligible to receive social security and also have medical insurance or the equivalent EU reciprocal arrangement ie. for pensioners.
However the dependants of those pensioners, viz. me as the spouse, must either be under 26 years old, I wish, or be disabled at 65% or more.
If what I have inferred is correct then I must take out private medical insurance to ensure that I am covered. This is of course until the whole thing is sorted out and the original reciprocal arrangement is restored, or not.
This is a googled translation of the relevant part of the new law.
Article 1. Amendment of Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS.
Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS, is amended as follows:
One is amending Article 3, which shall read as follows:
"Article 3. Of insured status.
1. Healthcare in Spain, with public funds, through the National Health System will ensure those who have the status of insured.
2. For this purpose, have the status of insured persons who are in one of the following assumptions:
a) Be employed person or self, member of the Social Security and in situations of high or assimilated to high.
b) To hold the status as a pensioner of the Social Security system.
c) Be a recipient of any other periodic benefit from Social Security, including the provision and unemployment benefits.
d) Have exhausted the benefit or unemployment benefit and included in the appropriate office registered as unemployed, not crediting the insured status under any other title.
3. Where failure to comply with any of the cases set out above, people of Spanish nationality or of any State member of the European Union, the European Economic Area or Switzerland who reside in Spain and foreigners holding a permit to reside Spanish territory, may bear the insured status provided they show proof that do not exceed the income limit determined by regulation.
4. For the purposes of the provisions of this Article, shall have the status of beneficiaries of an insured, provided they reside in Spain, the spouse or person with a similar relationship, which must prove the official entry for the former spouse by the insured and by the descendants of the same to be under 26 or have a disability equal to or greater than 65%.
5. Those who do not have the status of the insured or beneficiary thereof may obtain health care delivery by paying the relevant consideration or fee resulting from the signing of a special agreement.
6. Nothing in the preceding paragraphs of this article does not change the health care system of persons holding or receiving special schemes managed by the Social Security Mutual Society General State Civil Servants, the General Mutual Judicial and Social Institute Armed Forces, who retain their separate legal status.
In this regard, people framed in such mutual funds that have elected to receive health care through insurance entities should be treated in health facilities entered into by these entities. If you receive care in public hospitals, the expenditure for assistance to the third party must be reclaimed in accordance with current regulations. "
I get the impression that you must be able to prove an income greater than the level at which a Spanish national would be eligible to receive social security and also have medical insurance or the equivalent EU reciprocal arrangement ie. for pensioners.
However the dependants of those pensioners, viz. me as the spouse, must either be under 26 years old, I wish, or be disabled at 65% or more.
If what I have inferred is correct then I must take out private medical insurance to ensure that I am covered. This is of course until the whole thing is sorted out and the original reciprocal arrangement is restored, or not.
This is a googled translation of the relevant part of the new law.
Article 1. Amendment of Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS.
Law 16/2003 of 28 May, cohesion and quality of the NHS, is amended as follows:
One is amending Article 3, which shall read as follows:
"Article 3. Of insured status.
1. Healthcare in Spain, with public funds, through the National Health System will ensure those who have the status of insured.
2. For this purpose, have the status of insured persons who are in one of the following assumptions:
a) Be employed person or self, member of the Social Security and in situations of high or assimilated to high.
b) To hold the status as a pensioner of the Social Security system.
c) Be a recipient of any other periodic benefit from Social Security, including the provision and unemployment benefits.
d) Have exhausted the benefit or unemployment benefit and included in the appropriate office registered as unemployed, not crediting the insured status under any other title.
3. Where failure to comply with any of the cases set out above, people of Spanish nationality or of any State member of the European Union, the European Economic Area or Switzerland who reside in Spain and foreigners holding a permit to reside Spanish territory, may bear the insured status provided they show proof that do not exceed the income limit determined by regulation.
4. For the purposes of the provisions of this Article, shall have the status of beneficiaries of an insured, provided they reside in Spain, the spouse or person with a similar relationship, which must prove the official entry for the former spouse by the insured and by the descendants of the same to be under 26 or have a disability equal to or greater than 65%.
5. Those who do not have the status of the insured or beneficiary thereof may obtain health care delivery by paying the relevant consideration or fee resulting from the signing of a special agreement.
6. Nothing in the preceding paragraphs of this article does not change the health care system of persons holding or receiving special schemes managed by the Social Security Mutual Society General State Civil Servants, the General Mutual Judicial and Social Institute Armed Forces, who retain their separate legal status.
In this regard, people framed in such mutual funds that have elected to receive health care through insurance entities should be treated in health facilities entered into by these entities. If you receive care in public hospitals, the expenditure for assistance to the third party must be reclaimed in accordance with current regulations. "
will they have to give their cards back?
edit - it's a bad translation
it says the spouse is covered & so are descendants under the age of 26 or at least 65% disabled
Last edited by lynnxa; May 19th 2012 at 10:37 am.
May 19th 2012, 10:32 am
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Re: Proof of income for residency
I understood that the new Law was going to be "ratified" last Thursday but although keeping my eye open haven´t seen anything more about it in the press.
May 19th 2012, 11:05 am
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Firstly this is not the new law that has just been introduced. The new law is Ley 16/2012, de 20 de abril and that relates to a number of new provisions regarding healthcare in Spain particularly relating to prescription drugs.
Secondly this new law has a clause which modifies the existing residency law which is Ley 240/2007, de 16 de febrero
The other law that has been quoted relates to who is entitled to healthcare generally. The pensioners that it refers to are Spanish state pensioners, not foreigners. Basically it is saying that you are covered if you are working or self employed paying into the system, on social security benefits, or registered unemployed. If you don't fall into these categories then Spaniards or foreigners will be covered if their income DOES NOT exceed the amount laid down (whatever that is?)
If you qualify as an "insured" person under these rules then your dependents are covered. Dependents being your spouse or children under 26 or children of any age if they are disabled.
None of this is directly relevant to the new rules for foreigners who want to reside in Spain and need to sign on the register. Clearly if they are working they will be covered but if not working and not pensioners etc then that's where the problem arises. Before these new rules came in they didn't need to bother about either income or health cover.
Secondly this new law has a clause which modifies the existing residency law which is Ley 240/2007, de 16 de febrero
The other law that has been quoted relates to who is entitled to healthcare generally. The pensioners that it refers to are Spanish state pensioners, not foreigners. Basically it is saying that you are covered if you are working or self employed paying into the system, on social security benefits, or registered unemployed. If you don't fall into these categories then Spaniards or foreigners will be covered if their income DOES NOT exceed the amount laid down (whatever that is?)
If you qualify as an "insured" person under these rules then your dependents are covered. Dependents being your spouse or children under 26 or children of any age if they are disabled.
None of this is directly relevant to the new rules for foreigners who want to reside in Spain and need to sign on the register. Clearly if they are working they will be covered but if not working and not pensioners etc then that's where the problem arises. Before these new rules came in they didn't need to bother about either income or health cover.
May 19th 2012, 11:09 am
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Disposición final novena. Entrada en vigor.
El presente real decreto-ley entrará en vigor el mismo día de su publicación en el «Boletín Oficial del Estado».
Dado en Madrid, el 20 de abril de 2012.
JUAN CARLOS R.
El Presidente del Gobierno,
MARIANO RAJOY BREY
I would take that to mean that it is now in force and has been since April 20th unless this "ratification" process comes after this.
May 19th 2012, 12:12 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Firstly this is not the new law that has just been introduced. The new law is Ley 16/2012, de 20 de abril and that relates to a number of new provisions regarding healthcare in Spain particularly relating to prescription drugs.
Secondly this new law has a clause which modifies the existing residency law which is Ley 240/2007, de 16 de febrero
The other law that has been quoted relates to who is entitled to healthcare generally. The pensioners that it refers to are Spanish state pensioners, not foreigners. Basically it is saying that you are covered if you are working or self employed paying into the system, on social security benefits, or registered unemployed. If you don't fall into these categories then Spaniards or foreigners will be covered if their income DOES NOT exceed the amount laid down (whatever that is?)
If you qualify as an "insured" person under these rules then your dependents are covered. Dependents being your spouse or children under 26 or children of any age if they are disabled.
None of this is directly relevant to the new rules for foreigners who want to reside in Spain and need to sign on the register. Clearly if they are working they will be covered but if not working and not pensioners etc then that's where the problem arises. Before these new rules came in they didn't need to bother about either income or health cover.
Secondly this new law has a clause which modifies the existing residency law which is Ley 240/2007, de 16 de febrero
The other law that has been quoted relates to who is entitled to healthcare generally. The pensioners that it refers to are Spanish state pensioners, not foreigners. Basically it is saying that you are covered if you are working or self employed paying into the system, on social security benefits, or registered unemployed. If you don't fall into these categories then Spaniards or foreigners will be covered if their income DOES NOT exceed the amount laid down (whatever that is?)
If you qualify as an "insured" person under these rules then your dependents are covered. Dependents being your spouse or children under 26 or children of any age if they are disabled.
None of this is directly relevant to the new rules for foreigners who want to reside in Spain and need to sign on the register. Clearly if they are working they will be covered but if not working and not pensioners etc then that's where the problem arises. Before these new rules came in they didn't need to bother about either income or health cover.
May 22nd 2012, 1:10 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Just received this from the FCO.
Thank you for your email regarding the new residency requirements in Spain. The British Consulate is aware that the Spanish authorities have made some changes to the administration procedure for residency certificates in 2012. We are in contact with the Spanish authorities to establish what these changes mean for British Nationals living in Spain and will update our web page with details as they become available.
Thank you for your email regarding the new residency requirements in Spain. The British Consulate is aware that the Spanish authorities have made some changes to the administration procedure for residency certificates in 2012. We are in contact with the Spanish authorities to establish what these changes mean for British Nationals living in Spain and will update our web page with details as they become available.
May 22nd 2012, 1:12 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Just received this from the FCO.
Thank you for your email regarding the new residency requirements in Spain. The British Consulate is aware that the Spanish authorities have made some changes to the administration procedure for residency certificates in 2012. We are in contact with the Spanish authorities to establish what these changes mean for British Nationals living in Spain and will update our web page with details as they become available.
Thank you for your email regarding the new residency requirements in Spain. The British Consulate is aware that the Spanish authorities have made some changes to the administration procedure for residency certificates in 2012. We are in contact with the Spanish authorities to establish what these changes mean for British Nationals living in Spain and will update our web page with details as they become available.
May 22nd 2012, 1:14 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
I phoned our office and asked if they were issuing them and they said yes so we will see tomorrow when I go back down.
May 22nd 2012, 7:47 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Good luck with that, hope it goes smoothly Chiclanagir
May 22nd 2012, 7:54 pm
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Re: Proof of income for residency
I have something to ask you good people.
All this talk about proof of INCOME.
Well, when the law changed in 2007 it changed in Italy but it doesn't talk about proof of income - it just talks about funds.
In the sense that you can come here as retired and just pove that you have enough money in the bank to keep you for at least the first year of residency. Last time I checked the average was about 5.400 euro per adult per year.
A savings account is enough to prove money and you don't have to prove an income. You have to prove that you can keep yourself and have health insurance.
All this talk about proof of INCOME.
Well, when the law changed in 2007 it changed in Italy but it doesn't talk about proof of income - it just talks about funds.
In the sense that you can come here as retired and just pove that you have enough money in the bank to keep you for at least the first year of residency. Last time I checked the average was about 5.400 euro per adult per year.
A savings account is enough to prove money and you don't have to prove an income. You have to prove that you can keep yourself and have health insurance.