Too many restaurants in Dubai?
Mar 3rd 2017, 10:24 am
#76
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
Of course we all have. And hopefully our kids will.
Good to recognise it. Better to work with it to help the greater good. But apologising or undermining it isn't which is the game of the lefites isn't really so helpful.
Imagine what the world would look like if 'our' privilege was handed over to the Chinese or Indians.
Good to recognise it. Better to work with it to help the greater good. But apologising or undermining it isn't which is the game of the lefites isn't really so helpful.
Imagine what the world would look like if 'our' privilege was handed over to the Chinese or Indians.
I just haven't the energy to pick you up on the second paragraph...
Mar 3rd 2017, 10:32 am
#77
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
There are plenty of people outside the west who have grown up with far more privilege than I had.
Mar 3rd 2017, 10:41 am
#78
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
I don't think anyone here is apologising or undermining it and 'lefties' is a rather meaningless term, although I am sure you were trying to be patronsing. We certainly need to recognise Western privilege and not be snotty gits.
I just haven't the energy to pick you up on the second paragraph...
I just haven't the energy to pick you up on the second paragraph...
Mar 3rd 2017, 12:30 pm
#79
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Mar 4th 2017, 5:50 am
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
How are we the privileged ones?
I merely ask because this debate started when a British (of Pakistani heritage) made a casual reference to having Chinese, using an old slang for Chinese restaurants that emerged not out of a deliberate attempt to slur the nationality but the human tendency towards infantalised endearments and nicknames, and is told that we should know better because 'we are the privileged ones' despite that China is the world's second largest and certainly the second most powerful economy and where slangs for white Europeans are commonplace
I don't care for racially or ethnically insensitive slang, regardless of their intentions, and never use them, but I also don't particularly care for the patronising sneer of middle class politically correct respectability that is just as racist and discriminatory in its own way in the tolerance of double-standards and acceptance of perpetual victimisation.
I merely ask because this debate started when a British (of Pakistani heritage) made a casual reference to having Chinese, using an old slang for Chinese restaurants that emerged not out of a deliberate attempt to slur the nationality but the human tendency towards infantalised endearments and nicknames, and is told that we should know better because 'we are the privileged ones' despite that China is the world's second largest and certainly the second most powerful economy and where slangs for white Europeans are commonplace
I don't care for racially or ethnically insensitive slang, regardless of their intentions, and never use them, but I also don't particularly care for the patronising sneer of middle class politically correct respectability that is just as racist and discriminatory in its own way in the tolerance of double-standards and acceptance of perpetual victimisation.
When the comment was originally made, I asked the poster if she really thought that was acceptable. She replied that she hadn't thought about it but in hindsight was sorry. And that was it; until your intervention.
As I have been repeatedly saying, the point is about using specific terms that previously disadvantaged minorities have asked that people stop using because they are loaded with history and hurt. It's basic human respect. If you insist on your "right" to use such terms you can and should be called out for it. That's all.
Where is the "patronising sneer of middle class politically correct respectability"? This is not a theoretical or political point for me. As a gay Irish man who (through no choice of my own) spent considerable time in the UK in the 1970s and '80s, I am speaking as somebody who has been at the sharp end of such abuse, verbal and physical, as well as real obvious institutional discrimination (try the sheer blood-chilling fear of being a gormless Irish teenager detained and aggressively questioned by the Met for pure nasty sport in 1980). Things are very different now thankfully and we don't have to quietly lie down and take it any more.
So, if I see an instance of this, I call it out. If it was unintentional then the whole thing can be quickly and easily resolved. Which it was, until....
It became about the "right" of the playground bully to use whatever abusive language they wish with impunity. Not on my watch.
And please drop this continual straw-man about China - we are talking clearly about British Chinese/East Asian people.
Last edited by Miss Ann Thrope; Mar 4th 2017 at 5:55 am.
Mar 5th 2017, 8:46 am
#85
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
How are we the privileged ones?
I merely ask because this debate started when a British (of Pakistani heritage) made a casual reference to having Chinese, using an old slang for Chinese restaurants that emerged not out of a deliberate attempt to slur the nationality but the human tendency towards infantalised endearments and nicknames, and is told that we should know better because 'we are the privileged ones' despite that China is the world's second largest and certainly the second most powerful economy and where slangs for white Europeans are commonplace.
I merely ask because this debate started when a British (of Pakistani heritage) made a casual reference to having Chinese, using an old slang for Chinese restaurants that emerged not out of a deliberate attempt to slur the nationality but the human tendency towards infantalised endearments and nicknames, and is told that we should know better because 'we are the privileged ones' despite that China is the world's second largest and certainly the second most powerful economy and where slangs for white Europeans are commonplace.
My parents were born and raised in East Africa - my grandparents were originally from India....hence i'm an Indian
Mar 5th 2017, 8:53 am
#86
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
you all need to seriously calm down lol
the bottom line is, and dare i say it, if you are 'white' you have never really experienced racial abuse in the true sense of the word and that's coz, as MISS ANNE and MEOW have pointed out....'white' people have always been the privileged race.
the bottom line is, and dare i say it, if you are 'white' you have never really experienced racial abuse in the true sense of the word and that's coz, as MISS ANNE and MEOW have pointed out....'white' people have always been the privileged race.
Mar 5th 2017, 9:48 am
#87
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
you all need to seriously calm down lol
the bottom line is, and dare i say it, if you are 'white' you have never really experienced racial abuse in the true sense of the word and that's coz, as MISS ANNE and MEOW have pointed out....'white' people have always been the privileged race.
the bottom line is, and dare i say it, if you are 'white' you have never really experienced racial abuse in the true sense of the word and that's coz, as MISS ANNE and MEOW have pointed out....'white' people have always been the privileged race.
It is usually certainly easier being white but it doesn't mean you don't ever experience racism. It depends on where you are.
I'll judge people on many things, but the colour of their skin isn't one and I just don't get the sweeping generalisations that are still being perpetuated. The world is *****ed up.
Mar 5th 2017, 9:57 am
#88
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Re: Too many restaurants in Dubai?
It is usually certainly easier being white but it doesn't mean you don't ever experience racism. It depends on where you are.
I'll judge people on many things, but the colour of their skin isn't one and I just don't get the sweeping generalisations that are still being perpetuated. The world is *****ed up.
I'll judge people on many things, but the colour of their skin isn't one and I just don't get the sweeping generalisations that are still being perpetuated. The world is *****ed up.
Mar 5th 2017, 10:00 am
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