65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Sep 19th 2015, 3:52 pm
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
The level of religious intolerance in this post was most shocking.
Sep 19th 2015, 7:09 pm
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Not sure that the use of the word "jingly" is appropriate on a public forum.
Sep 20th 2015, 3:30 am
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Frankly speaking I don’t really take you seriously when it comes to discussing religious matters. Your knowledge of Islam is very moderate which is quite normal for someone who does not take his religion seriously. I myself very different as I am very serious about what I believe in, and I expect the same thing when somebody wishes to debate ethics/ theology with me, otherwise I just skip over.
Regarding the point you raised, you seem to agree that there are deviant Muslims who wish to practice Shirk at the prophet’s grave (thanks to the Saudis, they are not allowed) , and that they are bad doers. But I disagree with you that they should be allowed to do so, because Haj has to be done in accordance with how Quran described it. Any one wishes to do something different he can do it in his own temple. Otherwise, what would make Islam different from other religions if it was not mainly for the issue of Shirk!
To show you the seriousness of the subject of Shirik in Islam and to bring the idea closer to the British audience, the act of Shirk in Islam would amount, for example, to the Royal orchestra deliberately playing the French anthem when the Queen walks into the Royal Albert Hall.
besides, you are confusing the issue. I am not against the practice of visiting graves, in fact it is a healthy Islamic practice for a muslim to visit grave yards in order to remember death and reflect on the idea that one day it will be his/her turn in there. That is entirely different from someone going to graves to ask help from the dead.
Regarding the point you raised, you seem to agree that there are deviant Muslims who wish to practice Shirk at the prophet’s grave (thanks to the Saudis, they are not allowed) , and that they are bad doers. But I disagree with you that they should be allowed to do so, because Haj has to be done in accordance with how Quran described it. Any one wishes to do something different he can do it in his own temple. Otherwise, what would make Islam different from other religions if it was not mainly for the issue of Shirk!
To show you the seriousness of the subject of Shirik in Islam and to bring the idea closer to the British audience, the act of Shirk in Islam would amount, for example, to the Royal orchestra deliberately playing the French anthem when the Queen walks into the Royal Albert Hall.
besides, you are confusing the issue. I am not against the practice of visiting graves, in fact it is a healthy Islamic practice for a muslim to visit grave yards in order to remember death and reflect on the idea that one day it will be his/her turn in there. That is entirely different from someone going to graves to ask help from the dead.
Sep 20th 2015, 4:53 am
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Sep 20th 2015, 1:01 pm
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Well, I tell you what, I was halfway writing another reply to that fellow to have even more laughs but something unexpectedly happened while I was at it which I’ve interpreted as being a sign from the Almighty telling me to stop it right there and to remind me of the objectivity characteristic of a believer
Sep 20th 2015, 1:10 pm
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Well, I tell you what, I was halfway writing another reply to that fellow to have even more laughs but something unexpectedly happened while I was at it which I’ve interpreted as being a sign from the Almighty telling me to stop it right there and to remind me of the objectivity characteristic of a believer
Sep 20th 2015, 4:09 pm
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Officers monitor screens monitoring 100k security men preparing for Mecca pilgrims | Daily Mail Online
not that the saudis are worried or anything...
not that the saudis are worried or anything...
Sep 20th 2015, 7:39 pm
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
simple question.
Why cant the al Saud's cut off their relationship with the clerics? what will they lose if the do?
Why cant the al Saud's cut off their relationship with the clerics? what will they lose if the do?
Sep 21st 2015, 2:57 am
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
The Western world has come a long way in regards to health and safety, but there are lots of special interst groups and blowhard radio hosts who would like nothing better than to take away these gains. What is amazing is the many working class / blue collar and middle-class folks who support these right-wingers and corporate America who attack worker safety laws.
I think to myself, these everyday Americans have no frickin clue how bad things can get when you don't have government to regulate private entities in how they treat their workers.
I have been to many manufacturing plants and small businesses engaged in producing OEM components; safety is a big frickin deal .
Sep 21st 2015, 3:02 am
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Al Ash Sheik family (direct descendants of Abd Al Wahab) have married into the Al Sauds , so the bonds are blood bonds too. There has only been 1 grand Mufti who wasn't a descendant of Abdul Wahab.
Sep 21st 2015, 3:06 am
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Re: 65 dead in Mecca crane collapse. Death toll may rise.
Officers monitor screens monitoring 100k security men preparing for Mecca pilgrims | Daily Mail Online
not that the saudis are worried or anything...
not that the saudis are worried or anything...
Sep 21st 2015, 5:18 am
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