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Old Nov 27th 2004, 5:58 pm   #1
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Default Eastern Ukraine Threatens to Secede if Yushchenko Wins

I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
incorporation into the Russian Federation. Eastern regions which
threaten to secede from Kiev account for 80% of the Ukrainian national
wealth. Without the industrial east, Ukraines incomes will fall from
1/3 of Russia to 1/10th of Russia. The prospects of joining the EU
will have to be postponed...

--------------------------------------------------------

Deputies from Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine, where the disputed
winner of the country's presidential poll Viktor Yanukovych gained
much of his votes, have threatened to call a referendum on the
formation of an autonomous republic if opposition protestors favoring
pro-Western Viktor Yushchenko get their way.

Donetsk deputies pledged to form an "East-South" autonomous republic,
along with the Crimea region, which already enjoys more powers than
Ukraine's 26 other regions, Reuters reported.

Hundreds of thousands of protesters are still in the streets across
central and western Ukraine denouncing the official count which shows
Yanukovich as the winner of last Sunday's presidential election.

"If they don't clear people out of Kiev squares on Saturday and
Sunday, we should, in an orderly, constitutional way, stage a
referendum of trust to determine this country's make-up," Donetsk
Mayor Alexander Lukyanchenko told the assembly.

"We can live without that half (of the country), but can they live
without us?" the mayor in this primarily industrial region was quoted
by Reuters as saying.

The east, which generates much of Ukraine's wealth with its coal,
chemical and steel industries, has rejected opposition calls for a
nationwide strike. Crimea, which already has its own parliament and
government, is also Russian-speaking and for a time in the 1990s
protested against rule by Ukrainian authorities.

The disputed election has highlighted Ukraine's centuries-old divide
between the Russian-speaking east and the Ukrainian-speaking west.

Ukraine's constitution only allows for nation-wide referendums. To
stage a referendum three million signatures are needed in two-thirds
of the country of 47 million. Each region has to provide at least
100,000 signatures.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/...tukraine.shtml

howanski@mail.ru (Seriozha) wrote in message news:<3cca8d0e.0411260414.25c81005@posting.google. com>...
    > yp <yp11@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<sfdaq01dbl3pf1vjej6ttdihciofr9p88j@4ax.com>. ..
    > > By reading many reports on the Ukrainian elections, and looking at the
    > > many maps of Ukraine showing the division in the population and the
    > > vote, it is clear that Ukraine is as divided today as Czechoslovakia
    > > was at the time when it separated between the Czech Republic and
    > > Slovakia.
    > >
    > > It would seem to me therefore that the best solution would be to split
    > > Ukraine into east and west more or less along the Dnipro river. The
    > > two resulting countries would still be very large in the European
    > > context and would produce much more homogeneous populations that would
    > > work for their social and economic benefit, rather than fight each
    > > other.
    > >
    > > Yuri
    >
    > Yes, splitting up may be a sign of real progress, just look
    > at Yugoslavia. Why not split the country into east and west Ukraine
    > and allow each president to govern their own sovereign state. East
    > Ukraine obviously wants to move toward Russia whilst the West have
    > aspirations to join the EU. It is much easier to join the EU if the
    > countries are smaller and less populous.
    >
    > Sergei
 
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Old Nov 27th 2004, 7:29 pm   #2
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< I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>

I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a new
election on Sunday 12 December.

http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.
 
Old Nov 27th 2004, 11:31 pm   #3
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"xz" <xz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    >< I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
    > right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
    > incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>
    > I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a new
    > election on Sunday 12 December.
    > http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.

and say, for arguement's sake, that this new election goes without a hitch.
will the people who support the loser accept it?
 
Old Nov 27th 2004, 11:52 pm   #4
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:29:47 -0000, "xz" <xz@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >< I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
    > right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
    > incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>
    >I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a new
    >election on Sunday 12 December.
    >http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.

"LA GIORNATA. Kiev, il Parlamento dichiara non valido il ballottaggio
di domenica: "Ci sono stati brogli". Nuove elezioni forse il 12
dicembre. Ma potrebbero slittare perché va cambiata la legge. Cortei
nella capitale a sostegno di Yushenko. Nel Donetsk 2 milioni e mezzo
in piazza per Yanukovich"

"THE DAY. Kiev, the Parliament declares the Sunday vote invalid : "it
was rigged". New elections might occur on 12 December, but changes in
the law may stop this from happening. The court is understood to be in
support of Yushenko. In Donetsk 2.5 million people are still
protesting in support of Yanukovich"

It does say "forse". We shall see...
---
DFM
 
Old Nov 28th 2004, 1:55 am   #5
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In article <254hq0plllbo8c1mga33uvhvcj2r7tjemf@4ax.com>, Deep Frayed
Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:29:47 -0000, "xz" <xz@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > >< I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
    > > right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
    > > incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>
    > >
    > >I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a new
    > >election on Sunday 12 December.
    > >
    > >http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.
    > >
    >
    > "LA GIORNATA. Kiev, il Parlamento dichiara non valido il ballottaggio
    > di domenica: "Ci sono stati brogli". Nuove elezioni forse il 12
    > dicembre. Ma potrebbero slittare perché va cambiata la legge. Cortei
    > nella capitale a sostegno di Yushenko. Nel Donetsk 2 milioni e mezzo
    > in piazza per Yanukovich"
    >
    > "THE DAY. Kiev, the Parliament declares the Sunday vote invalid :

That is their opinion, it carries no weight in law or at least the
current opinion does not.

I think the Dec 12 election, at this time, would still require
Yanukovych to renounce his win.

I really enjoyed my 10 days there in '02 and am pleasantly surprised (a
bit shocked) that there are no tanks in the street yet.

Good Luck!

jay
Sat Nov 27, 2004
mailto:gofig@mac.com



    > "it
    > was rigged". New elections might occur on 12 December, but changes in
    > the law may stop this from happening. The court is understood to be in
    > support of Yushenko. In Donetsk 2.5 million people are still
    > protesting in support of Yanukovich"
    >
    > It does say "forse". We shall see...
    > ---
    > DFM
 
Old Nov 28th 2004, 5:20 pm   #6
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:55:11 -0800, Go Fig wrote:

    > In article <254hq0plllbo8c1mga33uvhvcj2r7tjemf@4ax.com>, Deep Frayed
    > Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >
    >> "THE DAY. Kiev, the Parliament declares the Sunday vote invalid :
    >
    > That is their opinion, it carries no weight in law or at least the
    > current opinion does not.
    >
    > I think the Dec 12 election, at this time, would still require
    > Yanukovych to renounce his win.

Deja vu. The florida scenario all over again.
 
Old Nov 28th 2004, 5:44 pm   #7
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xz wrote:
    >
    > < I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
    > right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
    > incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>
    >
    > I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a new
    > election on Sunday 12 December.
    >
    > http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.

And this time Yuschenko and his rabid supporters expect to get 99% in every
region of Ukraine. They are not happy with 94%, 93%, 92%, 80% and 76%.
 
Old Nov 28th 2004, 6:00 pm   #8
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"kirill" <kirill@university.ca> wrote in message
news:41AA0E97.5154048A@university.ca...
    > xz wrote:
    >> < I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
    >> right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
    >> incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>
    >> I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a
    >> new
    >> election on Sunday 12 December.
    >> http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.
    > And this time Yuschenko and his rabid supporters expect to get 99% in
    > every
    > region of Ukraine. They are not happy with 94%, 93%, 92%, 80% and 76%.

If that's what the accurate and truthful percentages are, I'm sure they
would be happy with that.

Yanokovich would be happy if he received 105% of the vote.
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 1:35 am   #9
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The Crimean parliament is controlled by hardcore pro-Russia, pro-USSR
types who have been unable to resolved the internal tensions and
conflicts within Crimea. They are at odds with the Tartar people who
since 1991 have finally been allowed to return to their "home" after
having been forcible deported during the time of the Soviet regime.
The pro-Russian population has been feeling increasingly edgy about
the "new" immigrants which boil down to real fear about the loss of
political power in the area. Also please note that secession is a
CRIMINAL ACT under the Ukrainian constitution. Members of Crimea's
parliament have tried to secede before. The situation in Crimea
(majority are ethnic Russians) had even been tried to justify an
attempt to prevent Ukraine from having independence back in 1991.

Yuschenko and his political party are pushing for FREE AND HONEST
ELECTIONS! - If re-elections are actually held it is predicted that
Yuschenko would receive 75% to Yanukovych 25%. Any extreme percentage
would actually destroy the LEGITIMACY of the winner both inside
Ukraine and abroad.

The separatist are also afraid that Yuschenko would win in a free and
honest election (which is why they and Kuchma's govt did not allow
that to happen - BY THE WAY BOTH rounds of elections did not meet
foreign observer's standards.)
for the simple reason that he has promised to end criminal corruption.
PLEASE VISIT HTTP://WWW.YUSCHENKO.COM.UA/ENG/pres..._Ukraine_bloc/
for information both (personal and political) about Yuschenko as well
as a breakdown of the political parties which support him.

Millions of dollars has been stolen from the Ukrainian people by
Kuchma, corrupt government officials and business leaders. These
people KNOW that in a free and honest election Yuschenko would win,
they would be facing criminal prosecutions, and so they are willing to
split the country in even though this is NOT THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY
OF THE UKRAINIAN people both from the West and East.

"Bob" <Robert@JustBobs.com> wrote in message news:<hnoqd.138$C07.3@fe11.lga>...
    > "kirill" <kirill@university.ca> wrote in message
    > news:41AA0E97.5154048A@university.ca...
    > >
    > >
    > > xz wrote:
    > >>
    > >> < I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
    > >> right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
    > >> incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>
    > >>
    > >> I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a
    > >> new
    > >> election on Sunday 12 December.
    > >>
    > >> http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.
    > >
    > > And this time Yuschenko and his rabid supporters expect to get 99% in
    > > every
    > > region of Ukraine. They are not happy with 94%, 93%, 92%, 80% and 76%.
    > >
    >
    > If that's what the accurate and truthful percentages are, I'm sure they
    > would be happy with that.
    >
    > Yanokovich would be happy if he received 105% of the vote.
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 2:10 am   #10
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"Luda Lozowy" <coale@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f2d3fc85.0411281735.3bd07947@posting.google.c om...
    > The Crimean parliament is controlled by hardcore pro-Russia, pro-USSR
    > types who have been unable to resolved the internal tensions and
    > conflicts within Crimea. They are at odds with the Tartar people who
    > since 1991 have finally been allowed to return to their "home" after
    > having been forcible deported during the time of the Soviet regime.
    > The pro-Russian population has been feeling increasingly edgy about
    > the "new" immigrants which boil down to real fear about the loss of
    > political power in the area. Also please note that secession is a
    > CRIMINAL ACT under the Ukrainian constitution. Members of Crimea's
    > parliament have tried to secede before. The situation in Crimea
    > (majority are ethnic Russians) had even been tried to justify an
    > attempt to prevent Ukraine from having independence back in 1991.

Now both Crimea and Donetsk area want to separate. I think Ukraine would be
better off to split into western half and corrupt Russian east. Kuchma
ensuring a place for Yanokovich is like Jimmy Hoffa ensuring a place for
Tony Provenzano.

    > Yuschenko and his political party are pushing for FREE AND HONEST
    > ELECTIONS! - If re-elections are actually held it is predicted that
    > Yuschenko would receive 75% to Yanukovych 25%. Any extreme percentage
    > would actually destroy the LEGITIMACY of the winner both inside
    > Ukraine and abroad.
    > The separatist are also afraid that Yuschenko would win in a free and
    > honest election (which is why they and Kuchma's govt did not allow
    > that to happen - BY THE WAY BOTH rounds of elections did not meet
    > foreign observer's standards.)
    > for the simple reason that he has promised to end criminal corruption.
    > PLEASE VISIT HTTP://WWW.YUSCHENKO.COM.UA/ENG/pres..._Ukraine_bloc/
    > for information both (personal and political) about Yuschenko as well
    > as a breakdown of the political parties which support him.
    > Millions of dollars has been stolen from the Ukrainian people by
    > Kuchma, corrupt government officials and business leaders. These
    > people KNOW that in a free and honest election Yuschenko would win,
    > they would be facing criminal prosecutions, and so they are willing to
    > split the country in even though this is NOT THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY
    > OF THE UKRAINIAN people both from the West and East.

This is how things are done in that part of the world. It is hard to say
that will change with Yushenko.

    > "Bob" <Robert@JustBobs.com> wrote in message
    > news:<hnoqd.138$C07.3@fe11.lga>...
    >> "kirill" <kirill@university.ca> wrote in message
    >> news:41AA0E97.5154048A@university.ca...
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > xz wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> < I just heard in the news that the Crimean parliament proclaimed the
    >> >> right to defend its own way, including secession from Ukraine and
    >> >> incorporation into the Russian Federation. >>
    >> >>
    >> >> I'm afraid you have already been overtaken by events. There is to be a
    >> >> new
    >> >> election on Sunday 12 December.
    >> >>
    >> >> http://www.repubblica.it/ refers.
    >> >
    >> > And this time Yuschenko and his rabid supporters expect to get 99% in
    >> > every
    >> > region of Ukraine. They are not happy with 94%, 93%, 92%, 80% and 76%.
    >> >
    >> If that's what the accurate and truthful percentages are, I'm sure they
    >> would be happy with that.
    >> Yanokovich would be happy if he received 105% of the vote.
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 5:20 am   #11
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Luda Lozowy wrote:
    >
    > The Crimean parliament is controlled by hardcore pro-Russia, pro-USSR
    > types who have been unable to resolved the internal tensions and
    > conflicts within Crimea. They are at odds with the Tartar people who
    > since 1991 have finally been allowed to return to their "home" after
    > having been forcible deported during the time of the Soviet regime.
    > The pro-Russian population has been feeling increasingly edgy about
    > the "new" immigrants which boil down to real fear about the loss of
    > political power in the area. Also please note that secession is a
    > CRIMINAL ACT under the Ukrainian constitution. Members of Crimea's
    > parliament have tried to secede before. The situation in Crimea
    > (majority are ethnic Russians) had even been tried to justify an
    > attempt to prevent Ukraine from having independence back in 1991.
    >
    > Yuschenko and his political party are pushing for FREE AND HONEST
    > ELECTIONS! - If re-elections are actually held it is predicted that
    > Yuschenko would receive 75% to Yanukovych 25%. Any extreme percentage
    > would actually destroy the LEGITIMACY of the winner both inside
    > Ukraine and abroad.

You're a freaking moron. Even the NATO sponsored exit polls showed
Yanukovich getting over 40% support. So much for all your posturing.
You hate 25% of Ukraine's population and then you bitch and whine when
they vote against your beloved candidate.
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 2:06 pm   #12
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coale@hotmail.com (Luda Lozowy) wrote in message news:<f2d3fc85.0411281735.3bd07947@posting.google. com>...
    > The Crimean parliament is controlled by hardcore pro-Russia, pro-USSR
    > types who have been unable to resolved the internal tensions and
    > conflicts within Crimea. They are at odds with the Tartar people who
    > since 1991 have finally been allowed to return to their "home" after
    > having been forcible deported during the time of the Soviet regime.
    > The pro-Russian population has been feeling increasingly edgy about
    > the "new" immigrants which boil down to real fear about the loss of
    > political power in the area. Also please note that secession is a
    > CRIMINAL ACT under the Ukrainian constitution. Members of Crimea's

And proclaiming oneself president before a handful of one's supporters
in the Rada is not a criminal act? And blocking the work of the
cabinet of ministers and the president's administration is not a
criminal act?

There is an international principle that every minority has the right
to choose their form of political organisation. Asking for autonomy
may be a criminal act according to perverted national law but it will
always be justified by international law which normally has precedence
over the national regulation.

By the way, the Russian media reports that not only Crimea but 12
other regions, including Trans-Carpathia, called for independence of
their respective regions. Splitting the country will leave Yuschenko
the president of Galicia. Unlike united Ukraine, Galicia will be able
to join EU and NATO as soon as possible: it has no viable industry and
no Russian forces located on its territory. On the other hand, united
Ukraine will not be able to join NATO until 2050 when the treaty about
Russian Black Sea Fleet being quartered in Sevastopol will expire.

    > parliament have tried to secede before. The situation in Crimea
    > (majority are ethnic Russians) had even been tried to justify an
    > attempt to prevent Ukraine from having independence back in 1991.
    >
    > Yuschenko and his political party are pushing for FREE AND HONEST
    > ELECTIONS! - If re-elections are actually held it is predicted that
    > Yuschenko would receive 75% to Yanukovych 25%. Any extreme percentage
    > would actually destroy the LEGITIMACY of the winner both inside
    > Ukraine and abroad.
    >
    > The separatist are also afraid that Yuschenko would win in a free and
    > honest election (which is why they and Kuchma's govt did not allow
    > that to happen - BY THE WAY BOTH rounds of elections did not meet
    > foreign observer's standards.)
    > for the simple reason that he has promised to end criminal corruption.
    > PLEASE VISIT HTTP://WWW.YUSCHENKO.COM.UA/ENG/pres..._Ukraine_bloc/
    > for information both (personal and political) about Yuschenko as well
    > as a breakdown of the political parties which support him.
    >
    > Millions of dollars has been stolen from the Ukrainian people by
    > Kuchma, corrupt government officials and business leaders. These

They were stolen primarily by his corrupt prime-ministers Lazarenko
and Yuschenko. I wonder how it happens that Lazarenko has been
imprisoned for several years but the Gas Lady who signed all the
documents with him is still free and shouting on the streets of Kiev.
You may follow a link to the Guardian home page to learn how M-me
Timoshenko (her actual name is Telegina, she has not a drop of
Ukrainian blood) earned her billions by stealing Russian gas and
selling it to Europe.

    > people KNOW that in a free and honest election Yuschenko would win,
    > they would be facing criminal prosecutions, and so they are willing to
    > split the country in even though this is NOT THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY
    > OF THE UKRAINIAN people both from the West and East.
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 2:12 pm   #13
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kirill <kirill@university.ca> wrote in message news:<41AAB1A6.7ADDCFAF@university.ca>...
    > Luda Lozowy wrote:
    > > Yuschenko and his political party are pushing for FREE AND HONEST
    > > ELECTIONS! - If re-elections are actually held it is predicted that
    > > Yuschenko would receive 75% to Yanukovych 25%. Any extreme percentage
    > > would actually destroy the LEGITIMACY of the winner both inside
    > > Ukraine and abroad.
    >
    > You're a freaking moron. Even the NATO sponsored exit polls showed
    > Yanukovich getting over 40% support. So much for all your posturing.
    > You hate 25% of Ukraine's population and then you bitch and whine when
    > they vote against your beloved candidate.

The NATO and some non-NATO exit polls also showed that Yuschenko won
over %50 of the first round of voting. If we had free and fair
elections we wouldn't need to be going through this mess because
Yuschenko would have won the first round.
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 2:29 pm   #14
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kirill <kirill@university.ca> wrote in message news:<41AAB1A6.7ADDCFAF@university.ca>...
    > Luda Lozowy wrote:
    > >
    > > The Crimean parliament is controlled by hardcore pro-Russia, pro-USSR
    > > types who have been unable to resolved the internal tensions and
    > > conflicts within Crimea. They are at odds with the Tartar people who
    > > since 1991 have finally been allowed to return to their "home" after
    > > having been forcible deported during the time of the Soviet regime.
    > > The pro-Russian population has been feeling increasingly edgy about
    > > the "new" immigrants which boil down to real fear about the loss of
    > > political power in the area. Also please note that secession is a
    > > CRIMINAL ACT under the Ukrainian constitution. Members of Crimea's
    > > parliament have tried to secede before. The situation in Crimea
    > > (majority are ethnic Russians) had even been tried to justify an
    > > attempt to prevent Ukraine from having independence back in 1991.
    > >
    > > Yuschenko and his political party are pushing for FREE AND HONEST
    > > ELECTIONS! - If re-elections are actually held it is predicted that
    > > Yuschenko would receive 75% to Yanukovych 25%. Any extreme percentage
    > > would actually destroy the LEGITIMACY of the winner both inside
    > > Ukraine and abroad.
    >
    > You're a freaking moron. Even the NATO sponsored exit polls showed
    > Yanukovich getting over 40% support. So much for all your posturing.
    > You hate 25% of Ukraine's population and then you bitch and whine when
    > they vote against your beloved candidate.

There is nothing wrong with voting against the "beloved candidate".
The problem is when they seek to impose their own candidate on the
rest of the country despuite him not winning the majority of votes
according to any legitmate standard.

Do you, kirill, honestly believe that Yanukovich received more real
votes than Yushchenko? Do you think that whatever abuses some on
Yushchenko's team were committing were even comparable to the abuses
committed by Yanukovich's side (96% rate of voting, over 90% for
Yanukovich in his oblast)?

BM
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 2:42 pm   #15
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kirill <kirill@university.ca> wrote in message news:<41AAB1A6.7ADDCFAF@university.ca>...
    > Luda Lozowy wrote:
    > >
    > > The Crimean parliament is controlled by hardcore pro-Russia, pro-USSR
    > > types who have been unable to resolved the internal tensions and
    > > conflicts within Crimea. They are at odds with the Tartar people who
    > > since 1991 have finally been allowed to return to their "home" after
    > > having been forcible deported during the time of the Soviet regime.
    > > The pro-Russian population has been feeling increasingly edgy about
    > > the "new" immigrants which boil down to real fear about the loss of
    > > political power in the area. Also please note that secession is a
    > > CRIMINAL ACT under the Ukrainian constitution. Members of Crimea's
    > > parliament have tried to secede before. The situation in Crimea
    > > (majority are ethnic Russians) had even been tried to justify an
    > > attempt to prevent Ukraine from having independence back in 1991.
    > >
    > > Yuschenko and his political party are pushing for FREE AND HONEST
    > > ELECTIONS! - If re-elections are actually held it is predicted that
    > > Yuschenko would receive 75% to Yanukovych 25%. Any extreme percentage
    > > would actually destroy the LEGITIMACY of the winner both inside
    > > Ukraine and abroad.
    >
    > You're a freaking moron. Even the NATO sponsored exit polls showed
    > Yanukovich getting over 40% support. So much for all your posturing.
    > You hate 25% of Ukraine's population and then you bitch and whine when
    > they vote against your beloved candidate.

Settle down Kirill - you're on the verge of a stroke. I understand
how upset you must be with your Moscow puppet (Yanukowych) now so
completely discredited with the evidence Yushchenko just presented to
the Supreme Court. Do note how Yanukovych has refused to take part in
a second "fair" election - because he knows that the only way he can
win is if he is allowed to cheat freely. And he well knows that any
election from here on will be scrutinized and kept clean.

Yanukowych has evacuated his family from Kyiv and his campaign manager
just quit. Time for you and all you Moskovites to face the truth:
Ukrainians have stood up off their knees and will not take any more
instructions from the KGB man in the Kremlin.

And speaking of Putin, the satisfaction each and every Ukrainian feels
knowing that it is WE, the people that you and your bretherin have
raped for centuries, that are the ones who are responsible for the
greatest public humiliation of a Russian president since the drunkard
Yeltsin lay passed out on the tarmac of a Dublin airport is absolutely
priceless.

Slava Ykraini! Herojam Slava!

Trident
 
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