What do you think about this?
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What do you think about this?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...c-1638632.html
Personally, I think it is probably the most romantic thing a couple could do for each other if faced with this situation. The thought of them cuddling up close and dying together is the ultimate act of love for each other
Personally, I think it is probably the most romantic thing a couple could do for each other if faced with this situation. The thought of them cuddling up close and dying together is the ultimate act of love for each other
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Re: What do you think about this?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...c-1638632.html
Personally, I think it is probably the most romantic thing a couple could do for each other if faced with this situation. The thought of them cuddling up close and dying together is the ultimate act of love for each other
Personally, I think it is probably the most romantic thing a couple could do for each other if faced with this situation. The thought of them cuddling up close and dying together is the ultimate act of love for each other
Under the circumstances though if that is what they wanted and they thought it through properly then I am happy for them. They must have loved each other very much.
I watched a very close loved one suffer a painful death from cancer so I can empathise with anyone who wants to end their life in this way if they have a terminal illness.
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Re: What do you think about this?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...c-1638632.html
Personally, I think it is probably the most romantic thing a couple could do for each other if faced with this situation. The thought of them cuddling up close and dying together is the ultimate act of love for each other
Personally, I think it is probably the most romantic thing a couple could do for each other if faced with this situation. The thought of them cuddling up close and dying together is the ultimate act of love for each other
Adelia
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Re: What do you think about this?
"if euthanasia was ever legalised in Britain, vulnerable and seriously ill people would come under pressure to end their lives prematurely. The right to die could so easily become a duty to die."
Whilst I can understand this viewpoint made at the end of the article - and there is always the likelihood that some people could be exploited - I think in this particular case it sounds like this couple had their full faculties to make and act on their well-considered choice. And I'm glad such a facility exists if that is what they really want. And yes, it's a shame they had to endure the journey to Switzerland in what much have been an extremely poor state of health in order to complete their wishes.
It sounded like they told no-one, and I suspect their own children were devastated to hear the news. Both my parents have died. One slowly and painfully, and one suddenly without warning. Both were awful, but looking back, I know which one I - and they - would have preferred. I'm all for choice. And if quality of life is so unbearable, then there should be no stigma to making this choice. We never let animals suffer pain, but we sit and watch loved ones climb the walls with pain. I don't get it.
Whilst I can understand this viewpoint made at the end of the article - and there is always the likelihood that some people could be exploited - I think in this particular case it sounds like this couple had their full faculties to make and act on their well-considered choice. And I'm glad such a facility exists if that is what they really want. And yes, it's a shame they had to endure the journey to Switzerland in what much have been an extremely poor state of health in order to complete their wishes.
It sounded like they told no-one, and I suspect their own children were devastated to hear the news. Both my parents have died. One slowly and painfully, and one suddenly without warning. Both were awful, but looking back, I know which one I - and they - would have preferred. I'm all for choice. And if quality of life is so unbearable, then there should be no stigma to making this choice. We never let animals suffer pain, but we sit and watch loved ones climb the walls with pain. I don't get it.
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Awww I find it sad, as a nurse I have seen people die and looked after people I thought would die only to recover. I do find it nice they went together though. The family must be shocked and devastated.
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Re: What do you think about this?
I think it is the most selfish thing you can do.
The boss of the fellow who died was on TV and he was distraught saying he and his wife were lovely people and he just spoke to him last week,he can't belive what has happened and he didn't get his chance to say goodbye.
We shouldn't be playing god in this small world in my opinion.
The boss of the fellow who died was on TV and he was distraught saying he and his wife were lovely people and he just spoke to him last week,he can't belive what has happened and he didn't get his chance to say goodbye.
We shouldn't be playing god in this small world in my opinion.
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Yes, ultimately it is selfish. But it was their choice. I mentioned it before, but I suspect the family were pretty devastated and will go round in circles for a long time chewing over every recent conversation and what else they could have 'done'.
This was an elderley, terminally ill couple of people. Probably (but we don't really know) still very much in love and not enjoying much of a quality of life, and determined to scrape out the last bit of dignity from their awful circumstances as they possibly could. Maybe they fast-forwarded to the day when one of them died a horrible death and did not want to a) witness that b) be left behind. Personally, I admire their fortitude! Selfish, yes, but ultimately their decision.
I don't presume to touch on the subject of suicides in completely different circumstances. But for this old couple, I hope they are resting in pain-free peace.
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I think it is the most selfish thing you can do.
The boss of the fellow who died was on TV and he was distraught saying he and his wife were lovely people and he just spoke to him last week,he can't belive what has happened and he didn't get his chance to say goodbye.
We shouldn't be playing god in this small world in my opinion.
The boss of the fellow who died was on TV and he was distraught saying he and his wife were lovely people and he just spoke to him last week,he can't belive what has happened and he didn't get his chance to say goodbye.
We shouldn't be playing god in this small world in my opinion.
You don't have to scroll too far down the BBC News site to find plenty of examples of far more selfish behavior.
I'm not sure who is more selfish: The person who seeks help for a dignified end because he/she is in such pain or the relative who wants to extend the pain so he/she can see his/her favorite aunt just another few times before she dies .... or the doctor who thinks his primary job is to prevent death, even where the natural cause of events would lead the patient to die. Who is playing God in that situation?
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While there is an element of selfishness in any suicide, in this case do you really believe it is "the most selfish thing you can do"???
I'm not sure who is more selfish: The person who seeks help for a dignified end because he/she is in such pain or the relative who wants to extend the pain so he/she can see his/her favorite aunt just another few times before she dies .... or the doctor who thinks his primary job is to prevent death, even where the natural cause of events would lead the patient to die. Who is playing God in that situation?
I'm not sure who is more selfish: The person who seeks help for a dignified end because he/she is in such pain or the relative who wants to extend the pain so he/she can see his/her favorite aunt just another few times before she dies .... or the doctor who thinks his primary job is to prevent death, even where the natural cause of events would lead the patient to die. Who is playing God in that situation?
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Re: What do you think about this?
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Re: What do you think about this?
I'm not sure who is more selfish: The person who seeks help for a dignified end because he/she is in such pain or the relative who wants to extend the pain so he/she can see his/her favorite aunt just another few times before she dies .... or the doctor who thinks his primary job is to prevent death, even where the natural cause of events would lead the patient to die. Who is playing God in that situation?
#14
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I have a lot of sympathy for the couple and also for the argument that people should be allowed to make the choice. I would never condemn anyone for wishing to have this option themselves and indeed might want it myself if in such a situation.
BUT on balance I would have to say no it should never be legalised because of the risk of it going wrong. The blatant bumping people off I am sure would be rare, but the sub conscious pressure for people particularly elderly to feel they should do the "right thing" and not be a burden to their families troubles me. I think if one life is ended for that reason it is too big a price.
BUT on balance I would have to say no it should never be legalised because of the risk of it going wrong. The blatant bumping people off I am sure would be rare, but the sub conscious pressure for people particularly elderly to feel they should do the "right thing" and not be a burden to their families troubles me. I think if one life is ended for that reason it is too big a price.
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I have a lot of sympathy for the couple and also for the argument that people should be allowed to make the choice. I would never condemn anyone for wishing to have this option themselves and indeed might want it myself if in such a situation.
BUT on balance I would have to say no it should never be legalised because of the risk of it going wrong. The blatant bumping people off I am sure would be rare, but the sub conscious pressure for people particularly elderly to feel they should do the "right thing" and not be a burden to their families troubles me. I think if one life is ended for that reason it is too big a price.
BUT on balance I would have to say no it should never be legalised because of the risk of it going wrong. The blatant bumping people off I am sure would be rare, but the sub conscious pressure for people particularly elderly to feel they should do the "right thing" and not be a burden to their families troubles me. I think if one life is ended for that reason it is too big a price.