Percentage uplift for moving
Sep 29th 2021, 10:03 pm
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
Hope that helps!
Sep 30th 2021, 6:43 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
So you think you deserve a greater value package than someone on their own or married status because you've reproduced? What if you have 1 kid and someone else has 5 and they get given a 7-bed house and 5 schooling allowances and two cars to help them?
Yeah, absolutely you want a mix, but if it's a 50k a month PM role, then pay them all 50k a month. You can hire men, women, families, aliens, dogs, hippos and all sorts for that money.
56% include allowances or just on basic?
Where are you looking for schooling? Lots will say full but really are just waiting for a few more to make another class worthwhile - there are other avenues into them as well.
Very 'black and white' view there Scamp
If I were building a team of expats I'd be happy with a mix of single status dudes and more costly family-men (equally dudesses/-women). The networking opportunities when kids are in Brit School or Football/Rugby/Netball Clubs are important. Relationships built with potential clients and peers where the singletons are building relationships with members of the night time economy (and also some peers and potential clients).Staff retention possibly better for family status. Hard to quantify though.
If I were building a team of expats I'd be happy with a mix of single status dudes and more costly family-men (equally dudesses/-women). The networking opportunities when kids are in Brit School or Football/Rugby/Netball Clubs are important. Relationships built with potential clients and peers where the singletons are building relationships with members of the night time economy (and also some peers and potential clients).Staff retention possibly better for family status. Hard to quantify though.
I had one initial video interview for 15 minutes, without any follow up. I thought they either hated me or had made a choice already, and were just ticking a box... The offer came a few days later - total surprise.
I was so disappointed when I saw it. I turned them down politely. They asked for salary slips, etc. In the end, the company made 4 offers - the last one was 61% higher than the first - which I accepted. I don't know how they justified internally. It's the same JG.
In terms of uplift (OP's query), I'm getting 56% above current net salary rates. However, I will need to save some funding for pension as my state UK and previous employers' private plans are not going to cut it. So I estimate, after higher living costs (and pension), I will save 100% more per month than currently. That's what clinched the deal for us.
I'm really hoping the allowances cover housing and schooling as advertised. The latter is the scariest part since I haven't found one with spaces.
The uplift will be greater if I get a bonus...
I was so disappointed when I saw it. I turned them down politely. They asked for salary slips, etc. In the end, the company made 4 offers - the last one was 61% higher than the first - which I accepted. I don't know how they justified internally. It's the same JG.
In terms of uplift (OP's query), I'm getting 56% above current net salary rates. However, I will need to save some funding for pension as my state UK and previous employers' private plans are not going to cut it. So I estimate, after higher living costs (and pension), I will save 100% more per month than currently. That's what clinched the deal for us.
I'm really hoping the allowances cover housing and schooling as advertised. The latter is the scariest part since I haven't found one with spaces.
The uplift will be greater if I get a bonus...
Where are you looking for schooling? Lots will say full but really are just waiting for a few more to make another class worthwhile - there are other avenues into them as well.
Sep 30th 2021, 6:52 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
Very 'black and white' view there Scamp
If I were building a team of expats I'd be happy with a mix of single status dudes and more costly family-men (equally dudesses/-women). The networking opportunities when kids are in Brit School or Football/Rugby/Netball Clubs are important. Relationships built with potential clients and peers where the singletons are building relationships with members of the night time economy (and also some peers and potential clients).Staff retention possibly better for family status. Hard to quantify though.
If I were building a team of expats I'd be happy with a mix of single status dudes and more costly family-men (equally dudesses/-women). The networking opportunities when kids are in Brit School or Football/Rugby/Netball Clubs are important. Relationships built with potential clients and peers where the singletons are building relationships with members of the night time economy (and also some peers and potential clients).Staff retention possibly better for family status. Hard to quantify though.
Sep 30th 2021, 6:56 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
Interesting opinion, I think a mix is good but i'd really struggle to justify it on a relationship/networking basis. In the construction industry all your relationships are awesome until something goes wrong or you are not lowest bidder then you are cast aside instantly.
Sep 30th 2021, 7:00 am
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You can be told the project is yours on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. On Wednesday you get a call to go and sign the contract the next day. Thursday morning you find out the Chairman owed someone a favour and the contract is now with someone else, thanks for your time and prices.
And expect you to get similarly bent over again
Sep 30th 2021, 7:16 am
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Interesting opinion, I think a mix is good but i'd really struggle to justify it on a relationship/networking basis. In the construction industry all your relationships are awesome until something goes wrong or you are not lowest bidder then you are cast aside instantly.
Equally the women can make their minds up (negatively) about other women who could be married to fine fellows who you'd like to network with professionally but the idea of a cosy 4-ball at a restaurant out of the question.
Sep 30th 2021, 8:11 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
Sat in the lounge last night and colleague whipped out the laptop and was doing calls and emails. I was on the phone the mrs and placing bets on the football. It's 7pm love, just give it a rest, when we land in Dubai the world will still be revolving and the business will still exist without you sending that spreadsheet.
Oh yeah been there. I've shot a few steely stares at the dads who work for certain client organisations when relationships had soured whilst the wives natter away obliviously and kids splash around in the British Club pool. But generally in my experience in Abu Dhabi the family connections opened so many doors.
Equally the women can make their minds up (negatively) about other women who could be married to fine fellows who you'd like to network with professionally but the idea of a cosy 4-ball at a restaurant out of the question.
Equally the women can make their minds up (negatively) about other women who could be married to fine fellows who you'd like to network with professionally but the idea of a cosy 4-ball at a restaurant out of the question.
Oct 1st 2021, 5:06 pm
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
The contract provides school allowances up to four kids.
The car allowance is the same regardless of the number of kids.
Yeah, absolutely you want a mix, but if it's a 50k a month PM role, then pay them all 50k a month.
After 12 months, I worked offshore and my salary doubled. The PhD was worth the same. The expat quit - it was too hard for him.
56% include allowances or just on basic?
Where are you looking for schooling? Lots will say full but really are just waiting for a few more to make another class worthwhile - there are other avenues into them as well.
Dec 16th 2021, 3:39 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
I had one initial video interview for 15 minutes, without any follow up. I thought they either hated me or had made a choice already, and were just ticking a box... The offer came a few days later - total surprise.
I was so disappointed when I saw it. I turned them down politely. They asked for salary slips, etc. In the end, the company made 4 offers - the last one was 61% higher than the first - which I accepted. I don't know how they justified internally. It's the same JG.
In terms of uplift (OP's query), I'm getting 56% above current net salary rates. However, I will need to save some funding for pension as my state UK and previous employers' private plans are not going to cut it. So I estimate, after higher living costs (and pension), I will save 100% more per month than currently. That's what clinched the deal for us.
I'm really hoping the allowances cover housing and schooling as advertised. The latter is the scariest part since I haven't found one with spaces.
The uplift will be greater if I get a bonus...
I was so disappointed when I saw it. I turned them down politely. They asked for salary slips, etc. In the end, the company made 4 offers - the last one was 61% higher than the first - which I accepted. I don't know how they justified internally. It's the same JG.
In terms of uplift (OP's query), I'm getting 56% above current net salary rates. However, I will need to save some funding for pension as my state UK and previous employers' private plans are not going to cut it. So I estimate, after higher living costs (and pension), I will save 100% more per month than currently. That's what clinched the deal for us.
I'm really hoping the allowances cover housing and schooling as advertised. The latter is the scariest part since I haven't found one with spaces.
The uplift will be greater if I get a bonus...
Dec 16th 2021, 4:54 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
Slo0079 do you mind sharing or PM the JG your were placed in and the base you settled for. I have accepted an offer from QP but I kinda feel I jumped the gun on this and thinking to renegotiate. The base I have accepted is 31500 QAR for a senior engineer. I feel based on your above comments there was more room for me to negotiate. What do you suggest based on your experience?
If you've since changed your mind about the package, tell them that and walk away, find something else with more money.
Dec 16th 2021, 7:35 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
Slo0079 do you mind sharing or PM the JG your were placed in and the base you settled for. I have accepted an offer from QP but I kinda feel I jumped the gun on this and thinking to renegotiate. The base I have accepted is 31500 QAR for a senior engineer. I feel based on your above comments there was more room for me to negotiate. What do you suggest based on your experience?
Btw a base salary of QAR 31500/m for a senior engineer at QP is pretty much par for the course, which probably means you'll be getting 45k+ all in. Not bad at all. The only way you'll get considerably more (60k+) is working through a contractor eg SPIE, NES Fircroft, Airswift etc
Dec 16th 2021, 8:26 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
Slo0079 do you mind sharing or PM the JG your were placed in and the base you settled for. I have accepted an offer from QP but I kinda feel I jumped the gun on this and thinking to renegotiate. The base I have accepted is 31500 QAR for a senior engineer. I feel based on your above comments there was more room for me to negotiate. What do you suggest based on your experience?
Turns out salaries are based on your passport. Not you. A friend was offered a position to lead a world-class international institution in Qatar, for 14k a month. He was like, what??!! He has a passport from a South American country and apparently this is seen as competitive. Except he moved from Washington D.C. and earned a lot more than that... they refused to negotiate so he turned them now.
Another friend moved from the UK. He has a passport from an African nation. He would have been offered pennies, but he has dual British passport so he was offered more.
Totally racist scheme but that's how it works.
Dec 16th 2021, 8:54 am
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Re: Percentage uplift for moving
I signed the T&C and sent them back. Later I changed my mind and explained why. They came back with a final offer just over 32k (this had to be approved at the highest levels, blah blah). I then signed the T&C again and separate offer letter. Everyone was happy.
Turns out salaries are based on your passport. Not you. A friend was offered a position to lead a world-class international institution in Qatar, for 14k a month. He was like, what??!! He has a passport from a South American country and apparently this is seen as competitive. Except he moved from Washington D.C. and earned a lot more than that... they refused to negotiate so he turned them now.
Another friend moved from the UK. He has a passport from an African nation. He would have been offered pennies, but he has dual British passport so he was offered more.
Totally racist scheme but that's how it works.
Turns out salaries are based on your passport. Not you. A friend was offered a position to lead a world-class international institution in Qatar, for 14k a month. He was like, what??!! He has a passport from a South American country and apparently this is seen as competitive. Except he moved from Washington D.C. and earned a lot more than that... they refused to negotiate so he turned them now.
Another friend moved from the UK. He has a passport from an African nation. He would have been offered pennies, but he has dual British passport so he was offered more.
Totally racist scheme but that's how it works.