USA refugees Huh?
Aug 27th 2017, 12:32 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
I did understand the gist. I don't think deception is on regardless of how it's done.
I assumed "Westerners" because I believe you referenced this forum - as I mentioned I don't care where they come from.
I don't lurk much in the visa section of this forum so can't vouch that people advocate this but will accept your judgment that they do, regardless it's not on.
I assumed "Westerners" because I believe you referenced this forum - as I mentioned I don't care where they come from.
I don't lurk much in the visa section of this forum so can't vouch that people advocate this but will accept your judgment that they do, regardless it's not on.
Aug 27th 2017, 12:40 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
A Haitian citizen wouldn't because they require a visa to travel to Canada. A US passport holder is likely to face less scrutiny. It would be a matter of nationality rather than race.
Aug 27th 2017, 2:36 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
When it comes to violations of the Immigration & Refugee Protection Act then it doesn't matter about the persons colour, creed, religion or whatever else if they are reported they are dealt with.
Many a time on here I have been tempted to say something but have bitten my tongue as no violation has occurred but the intention is there at times especially those who don't meet the residency obligation and wanting to return to Canada or renew their PR card.
Many a time on here I have been tempted to say something but have bitten my tongue as no violation has occurred but the intention is there at times especially those who don't meet the residency obligation and wanting to return to Canada or renew their PR card.
Aug 27th 2017, 6:10 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
I did understand the gist. I don't think deception is on regardless of how it's done.
I assumed "Westerners" because I believe you referenced this forum - as I mentioned I don't care where they come from.
I don't lurk much in the visa section of this forum so can't vouch that people advocate this but will accept your judgment that they do, regardless it's not on.
I assumed "Westerners" because I believe you referenced this forum - as I mentioned I don't care where they come from.
I don't lurk much in the visa section of this forum so can't vouch that people advocate this but will accept your judgment that they do, regardless it's not on.
Aug 27th 2017, 7:48 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Oh my goodness another one of "those" posters.
Bats, do you have any idea what "bigot" actually means?
A "bigot" is not a person who disagrees with you about something. A "bigot" is also not a person who is left-wing, as I am, but just not as left-wing as you are.
A bigot is someone who treats certain races and ethnic groups with hatred and intolerance.
So, as I look back in my posts, where have I directed hatred towards an ethnic group?
Was it when I posted - repeatedly - that legitimate refugees should be given asylum in Canada and resettled there? No, I don't see any bigotry in that statement.
How about when I said those denied asylum or who aren't legitimate refugees, should be encouraged to apply for residence, and then welcomed if they meet the criteria? No, no bigotry there either.
When I agreed with BristolUK that Westerners claiming residence on false pretenses should have their visas cancelled? That doesn't sound much like a bigoted remark.
When I said that Germany had been "swamped" by migrants? No hate statements at racial or ethnic groups there either - that's just a statement you disagree with (though I would say 1.5 million migrants in 18 months is indeed "swamped" and most logical and reasonable people would agree, especially as how none of the countries involved have been able to handle the situation).
When I warned that if people perceive a country as losing control of its borders, that could lead to more Trumps, Brexits, and Le Pens? That doesn't sound like bigotry either and in fact is pretty well documented. I am warning about them precisely because I don't support them.
Now, if I had said something like, black refugees shouldn't be allowed into Canada . . . bingo! That would be an example of a bigoted statement.
If I had said that it was terrible that Germany had been "swamped" by Muslims? Bingo! That would also be an example of a bigoted statement.
But I don't believe that which is why I didn't say that, and why I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you called me a "bigot" out of your own ignorance about what the term means, rather than that you were trying to use very dishonest rhetorical tactics.
In the future, I strongly, strongly recommend that when on BE you reply to posts that are actually written, and not phantom posts that exist only in your head; refrain from making false allegations against posters using grown-up terms you don't understand; and, if that fails, enroll in remedial reading comprehension courses that will help you better understand what is actually being written.
Bats, do you have any idea what "bigot" actually means?
A "bigot" is not a person who disagrees with you about something. A "bigot" is also not a person who is left-wing, as I am, but just not as left-wing as you are.
A bigot is someone who treats certain races and ethnic groups with hatred and intolerance.
So, as I look back in my posts, where have I directed hatred towards an ethnic group?
Was it when I posted - repeatedly - that legitimate refugees should be given asylum in Canada and resettled there? No, I don't see any bigotry in that statement.
How about when I said those denied asylum or who aren't legitimate refugees, should be encouraged to apply for residence, and then welcomed if they meet the criteria? No, no bigotry there either.
When I agreed with BristolUK that Westerners claiming residence on false pretenses should have their visas cancelled? That doesn't sound much like a bigoted remark.
When I said that Germany had been "swamped" by migrants? No hate statements at racial or ethnic groups there either - that's just a statement you disagree with (though I would say 1.5 million migrants in 18 months is indeed "swamped" and most logical and reasonable people would agree, especially as how none of the countries involved have been able to handle the situation).
When I warned that if people perceive a country as losing control of its borders, that could lead to more Trumps, Brexits, and Le Pens? That doesn't sound like bigotry either and in fact is pretty well documented. I am warning about them precisely because I don't support them.
Now, if I had said something like, black refugees shouldn't be allowed into Canada . . . bingo! That would be an example of a bigoted statement.
If I had said that it was terrible that Germany had been "swamped" by Muslims? Bingo! That would also be an example of a bigoted statement.
But I don't believe that which is why I didn't say that, and why I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you called me a "bigot" out of your own ignorance about what the term means, rather than that you were trying to use very dishonest rhetorical tactics.
In the future, I strongly, strongly recommend that when on BE you reply to posts that are actually written, and not phantom posts that exist only in your head; refrain from making false allegations against posters using grown-up terms you don't understand; and, if that fails, enroll in remedial reading comprehension courses that will help you better understand what is actually being written.
Aug 27th 2017, 7:58 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Thank you for your diatribe and lecture. Ive considered replying pointing out that displaying bigotry in a post isn't the same as being an out an out bigot. That using the word "swamped" indicates the users feelings towards asylum seekers, illegal border crossers but I decided it was a waste of time.
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Aug 27th 2017, 9:07 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
In country after country insecure borders and rising asylum claims have led to rising community tensions and in some cases outright violence. Yet many politicians who claim to support community relations and loudly claim to hate racism and Trump are proposing measures that would increase asylum flows (suspend third country agreement etc).
I sometimes wonder what the true motives of some of these politicians are because their policies are likely to cause the very problems that they claim to abhor.
I sometimes wonder what the true motives of some of these politicians are because their policies are likely to cause the very problems that they claim to abhor.
Aug 27th 2017, 9:17 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
People like Farage, Tyndall, Le Pen with their misleading and exaggerating claims, "rivers of blood" or arranging marches that are guaranteed and designed to provoke.
Aug 27th 2017, 9:26 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
No, it's morons who are responsible for that. Devious morons with ulterior motives who want to take advantage of it and sew discontent, fan the flames and other clichés.
People like Farage, Tyndall, Le Pen with their misleading and exaggerating claims, "rivers of blood" or arranging marches that are guaranteed and designed to provoke.
People like Farage, Tyndall, Le Pen with their misleading and exaggerating claims, "rivers of blood" or arranging marches that are guaranteed and designed to provoke.
There are over 10m people in US without permanent status.
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Aug 27th 2017, 9:54 pm
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Aug 27th 2017, 10:48 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
The violence you mentioned hasn't happened here has it?
Where it has happened includes the UK, quite soon after the Brexit vote. What should have been done to avert that crisis, deport people to save them being attacked?
When they've been deported who comes next because you can bet whichever right wing extremist group is flavour of the month will move on to the next target.
Aug 27th 2017, 11:48 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
And I would like to see it stay that way.
"It depends what crisis you mean and whether it is, in fact, a crisis."
With some government projections now showing an 11 year wait to have asylum cases heard I would call that a crisis.
Immigration and Refugee Board can't keep up with asylum claims - Politics - CBC News
"It depends what crisis you mean and whether it is, in fact, a crisis."
With some government projections now showing an 11 year wait to have asylum cases heard I would call that a crisis.
Immigration and Refugee Board can't keep up with asylum claims - Politics - CBC News
Aug 27th 2017, 11:48 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Thank you for your diatribe and lecture. Ive considered replying pointing out that displaying bigotry in a post isn't the same as being an out an out bigot. That using the word "swamped" indicates the users feelings towards asylum seekers, illegal border crossers but I decided it was a waste of time.
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Aug 27th 2017, 11:58 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
You are completely and totally wrong (again). You say you read my previous post but it's clear it didn't sink in. Go back and re-read the part where it says a "bigot" is someone with intolerance/hatred to racial or ethnic groups, not someone who disagrees with you about something or isn't sufficiently left wing for you.
Aug 28th 2017, 12:03 am
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
If there is no legal pathway to residence, then they should be returned to Mexico. If there is no legal pathway - they should not be rewarded for illegally entering the country and avoiding detection for x number of years.
No country in the world has an obligation to give residency to anyone who asks for it, and it would be insanity to go down that route.
Why should Mexican undocumenteds get special treatment, compared to other nationalities?
Or, more to the point, is this a pressing issue that the United States should be prioritising? I would argue it is not and resources should go into other things, and I also did not vote for Trump (I have a US passport) nor will I vote for him in 2020. But he did win and we have to live with that, for at least another three years.