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Old Dec 3rd 2008, 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by andrewrb143
Unelected, separatist backed governement. Godspeed Canada.
Unelected? Remember 14th October? I remember it all too well. Voters voted for the MP from their riding. Governments and prime ministers follow on from that.

And as for the separatist issue, that's not going to be an issue for the next 18 months. That was part of the deal. (A), the Bloc is more than reasonable on most topics, where it's perfectly possible to make a deal with the NDP and Liberals; and (B), separatism hasn't exactly been anywhere near the headlines. Given there's a provincial election in Quebec, the fact that separatism/independence is low on the agenda is telling. 'Making a deal with the devil' is hardly the language you use to win over wavering Bloc voters.
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Originally Posted by GavinR
Eh? Seemed to me that the electorate were pretty clear on not wanting Dion as Prime Minister.
And even clearer about not wanting Stephen Harper either …
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Originally Posted by Iain Mc
The NDP and the Bloc are going to be wielding increasingly disproportional influence in exchange for continued support. Might be merry times ahead for the unions in Ontario and the arts in Quebec but not much to cheer about for Western Canada.
Given we've been governed by the President of Alberta for the last while, seems entirely fair to me.

Incidentally, I don't think the Bloc will want to touch the Tories with a bargepole, after the arts cuts and especially after the Tories called their cause diabolical. And I think the feeling is mutual.
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Eh? Seemed to me that the electorate were pretty clear on not wanting Dion as Prime Minister.
Exactly - what a complete disaster this is all turning out to be.

Alberta is abuzz!!
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Originally Posted by edsask
And even clearer about not wanting Stephen Harper either …
If that were the case why did the Conservatives get an increased minority?

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Originally Posted by GavinR
If that were the case why did the Conservatives get an increased minority?
Because more people didn't want to pay a Carbon Tax.
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Because more people didn't want to pay a Carbon Tax.
And that's changed?
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Originally Posted by andrewrb143
Unelected, separatist backed governement. Godspeed Canada.
Like all weasels, they will rip each others politically motivated, self serving unelected throats out...however the real casualty will be the Canadian people/economy!

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Originally Posted by macadian
Like all weasels, they will rip each others politically motivated, self serving unelected throats out...however the real casualty will be the Canadian people/economy!
I think you have too much faith in governments. A confused and directionless coalition is less likely to do anything much than a strong government and so is less likely to do any harm. We're better off with chaos in Parliament.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I think you have too much faith in governments. A confused and directionless coalition is less likely to do anything much than a strong government and so is less likely to do any harm. We're better off with chaos in Parliament.
I don't, to old for that! However ANY goverment that is toppled, no matter of what political color, MUST be democraticlly replaced by the eloctorate by way of an election. The GG MUST go to the country! Not handing power to a group of self serving pollticians attempting to gain power by the back door. If they feel they are the team to lead the country...test the theory...go to the country! See how deep in the favour of the country they appear then.

As for Dion as a back door PM......seems the country that rejected him wholesale may well be saddled with him yet. So much for the electorate choosing their goverment. A sad precedent (in recent history) it will be if it happens....

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Default Re: Goodbye Stephen H., or more arrogance?

Originally Posted by dbd33
I think you have too much faith in governments. A confused and directionless coalition is less likely to do anything much than a strong government and so is less likely to do any harm. We're better off with chaos in Parliament.
Anarchy... and every one for him/herself? There's an all-too-similar thread in the main Canada forum so I already vented spleen there about these temporarily-united three musketeers. How long before they're at each others' throats? And Dion as PM? Doit-on rire ou pleurer?
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Originally Posted by GavinR
And that's changed?
Yep, Dion's at least keeping his mouth closed on that subject, and some voters have short memories.
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Originally Posted by newshoney
And Dion as PM? Doit-on rire ou pleurer?
I think a shrug, gallic if you prefer, is the appropriate response. Dion as PM backed by a coalition isn't likely to start a war, introduce an abortion law, radically change the tax structure. He's not likely to do anything very much and, for that, we can be thankful.
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Default Re: Goodbye Stephen H., or more arrogance?

At least here in Canada your City and Provincial Governments have far more say in your day to day life than the Federal Government.

Italy has managed to survive and prosper with poor coalition governments for years. Maybe Canadian wine will improve.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I think a shrug, gallic if you prefer, is the appropriate response. Dion as PM backed by a coalition isn't likely to start a war, introduce an abortion law, radically change the tax structure. He's not likely to do anything very much and, for that, we can be thankful.
Perhaps not, however Dion would be held to ransome so to speak at every turn by his two co-conspiritors, who one way or another will try to spend their way into the hearts of their respective supporters...and all Canadians will bear the cost, which will be to our long term detriment! In otherwords, a (unelected) selfserving, economical shambles. Thats quite a lot, opposed to " he's not likely to do anything very much"
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