Climate change sceptics
They have gone very quiet. Maybe it's something to do with the terrible flooding and bush fires we have had recently.
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Still here- I am only sceptical that it is entirely man-made, I think climates change naturally, and man is just helping the efforts along.
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by carolinephillips
(Post 9094118)
Still here- I am only sceptical that it is entirely man-made, I think climates change naturally, and man is just helping the efforts along.
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by CasualObserver1
(Post 9094128)
I don't think anyone has ever argued climate change is 'entirely' man made. The debate is what impact human actions are having on the recent period of warming.
Spoiler alert. Earths Climate has always been dynamic. The argument is how much impact man has made on this. Personally I'm certain it's negligible. If we were pumping oxygen out into the Atmosphere at the same rate as we have Carbon then possibly would have some serious worries on our hands. Thats one thing this pseudo nouveau religion debate has taught me.... We are worried about the wrong climate effect. |
Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9094249)
Spoiler alert.
Earths Climate has always been dynamic. The argument is how much impact man has made on this. he most worrying thing is that when I was doing my Geology degree the lecturers explained that it takes around 100 years for the effects of greenhouses gases in the atmosphere to be felt. Regardless of whether you are a sceptic or not, it's hard to deny that humans have had a severe detrimental impact on our planet (e.g. pollution, urban sprawl, deforestation, species extinction etc). |
Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9094249)
Spoiler alert.
Earths Climate has always been dynamic. The argument is how much impact man has made on this. Personally I'm certain it's negligible. If we were pumping oxygen out into the Atmosphere at the same rate as we have Carbon then possibly would have some serious worries on our hands. Thats one thing this pseudo nouveau religion debate has taught me.... We are worried about the wrong climate effect. As the evidence grows that we are in fact heading into a period of significant cooling, we should be a darn sight more worried about the effect that will have. Another mini ice age wouldnt be my choice. |
Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by quoll
(Post 9094315)
As the evidence grows that we are in fact heading into a period of significant cooling, we should be a darn sight more worried about the effect that will have. Another mini ice age wouldnt be my choice. |
Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by CasualObserver1
(Post 9094328)
What evidence would this be? The global cooling myth has been around since the 1970s.
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Re: Climate change sceptics
But whenever there is a disaster on theis scale they compare it to "The great flood of '74" And with the bushfires....compared to Black Friday in 1934 etc etc, its happened before....so is it global warming? cooling? Or mother nature being a big beatch?
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Brisbane's Major Floods
* 1841 - 8.4m * 1844 - 7m * 1864 - 3.8m * 1887 - 3.8m * 1889 - 3.8m * 1890 - 5.3m * 1893 - 8.3m * 1907 - 3.5m * 1974 - 5.45m Interesting stats there. |
Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by hevs
(Post 9094407)
But whenever there is a disaster on theis scale they compare it to "The great flood of '74" And with the bushfires....compared to Black Friday in 1934 etc etc, its happened before....so is it global warming? cooling? Or mother nature being a big beatch?
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by CasualObserver1
(Post 9094503)
it's impossible to determine whether individual weather events are caused by global warming, however, the increasing intensity/frequency of global events is a major concern.
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by Gjn200
(Post 9094511)
Or is it with global media we now know what is happening everywhere? 300 years ago what was happening in around the world, a flood in Aus,an earthquake in NZ, a Tsunami in Indonesia who (in the west)would know?
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by quoll
(Post 9094315)
You are so right. We need to be worrying more about the stupidity of building in flood plains and failing to adapt to bush living by taking appropriate precautions .....
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Re: Climate change sceptics
Originally Posted by Gjn200
(Post 9094511)
..300 years ago what was happening in around the world, a flood in Aus,an earthquake in NZ, a Tsunami in Indonesia who (in the west)would know?
'Natural disaster' (for want of a beter term) history is easy enough to study if you know what to look for. Hence the relevant scientists know about things like devasting yellowstone supervolcanic activity thas only blown a handful of times in the last 2.1 million years. No human have observed an eruption directly - but the evidence is irrefutable. I'm sure the same is true of major flood events (which leave significant deposits) - they can be measured restrospectively without anyone having observed them. Having said that, I agree with your sentiment one reason the world seems so utterly f*&ked up at the moment is we all get to hear about every 'newsworthy' event - and now in glorious HD technicolour to make things as dramatic as possible. (Office operating perfectly normally and everyone present here at work today in Brisbane.... no need for hystrical over-reactions!) |
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