Beoz

I would agree on that statement.

An example of that would be those who are on the dole yet are capable of earning - they are exploiting those who pay taxes.

Another example of that is those who exploit their workplace using unions as a shield. The odd non sick sicky - you are exploiting your workplace.

scrubbedexpat098

In the context of the current conversation I thought it self explanatory that the bottom of society referred to to the poorest, not morally bereft.

Shard

Yes, that's the usual connotation.

Beoz

So are the poorest in society on the dole? Perhaps not because someone without shoes and a roof could get these through government benefits and those benefits come digitally right?

GarryP

Actually, as I understand it, mobile phones are one of the real ways you can cheaply help the homeless. Those $30 jobbies that Coles sell are great to provide to homeless such that you can contact them, track them, and get them info.

With free wifi networks (such as in Melbourne) they don't even need credit to use them, but a $5 Aldi Sim will last 365 days for use in emergencies. The biggest issue becomes where can they recharge them.

And couple in that AIs can run on such devices, you can image an AI based support app that can automate keeping them out of danger and get them back on track. Track movement, etc. and it could do what no social worker ever could.

https://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...omeless-people

Beoz

https://accan.org.au/grants/current-grants/619-homeless-and-connected-mobile-phones-and-mobile-internet-in-the-lives-of-families-and-young-people-experiencing-homelessness

Beoz

Just had my Coles man drop off the online weekly shop. They had to open a a new depot a couple of months back nearby which services the eastern suburbs of Sydney. They have gone from 20 drivers to 45 since it opened. And the wife still wants to go tomorrow to observe the meat, fruit and veg before she buys. See automation creates jobs

Shard

What was that the other day NAB -2000 jobs, and now Coles +45 jobs...something like that.

GarryP

NAB - 6000 jobs + 2000 jobs = -4000 net

even Coles hiring 45 people needs to be set against the hundreds they sacked a year or two ago from the head office.

Oh, and Amazon are apparently been going all in on fashion shoots this week in Melbourne, three shoots a day, every day of the week. Sounds like it's not just electronics that they are going to hit, but fashion and clothing too. And that will impact at the already tenuous viability of clothing shops in overpriced malls. They have obviously recognised that there is a gap (sic) in the market.

Beoz

45 in a month in a tiny pocket of Sydney in a couple of months and growing. Thats big numbers and huge growth. Nice try but big fail

Beoz

NAB haven't got rid of anyone yet. And those projected 2000 employed are pretty much instant hires. In a year or 2 that will triple. NAB have been playing the old mans bank game. They just realised its all catch up. Dead wood gone. New wood growing.

Shard

Just replace the wood with silicon, much more efficient.

Beoz

Unfortunately the silicon needs humans to make it and run it. AI is a great talking point but until the day it services Skynet only, humans will be in play, and as we have seen in all technology advances, in greater and greater numbers.

Sleep easy my friend. Elon needs to sell more books as his cars are taking a big hit.

Beoz

Well isn't that interesting. Airbus doesn't want to invest in more fuel efficient A380's, despite the fact its doable, and Emirates doesn't want to be left holding old style A380's with diminished value.

Tech doesn't advance if there's no one to pay for it.

https://www-telegraph-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/11/11/emirates-set-throw-airbuss-a380-lifeline-major-order/amp/

Shard

Heard about that. This is a classic Beoz false equivalency: normally when you refer to no one to pay for a products, it's in relation to unemployed workers (lacking income) in this case it's not about employment, it's about standard product market share (asset values, economies of scale, etc). Sorry can't open the article as it's the Telegraph and I am limited.