Beoz

I know its very difficult for most to visualise what Ms Lambert means here, but I can assure you it will be a good thing and Gina won't be able to use Philipinos. As they say its only for very highly skilled and specialised positions and its a starting point for discussion.

Best not jump to conclusions as per usual

Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry director of employment Jenny Lambert said all stakeholders, including unions, needed to recognise that opportunities for Australians are enhanced by a strong economy that is globally competitive. She said the Department of Immigration proposal referred to highly specialised skills.

"Access to these skills can only benefit the skills development of the Australian workforce as evidence shows that such arrangements allow for the transfer of skills to Australians, " Ms Lambert said.

"Part of being globally competitive is recognising that the labour force is increasingly global and strong international companies will be attracted here through effective regulatory environments that allow them to operate seamlessly.

"A balanced and reasonable approach to skilled migration policy, preferably with bipartisan support, is good for Australia, and most importantly good for Australian jobs and the economy. Let this be the starting point for a rational discussion."

the troubadour

Well I am rather surprised an issue that appears so close to your heart escaped your attention until I commented on it.
Hardly obscure either as all media outlets ran with the story. Does this suggest your on line affiliations does not stretch beyond forums?

Almost everything can be said to be politically motivated. Just your and my political views on the outcomes vary considerably.

Why is big immigration good for the nation? It is clear why corporates advocate such a move, just as clear as why they and other home based business concerns advocate the admission of untested and cheap labour.

The reason being to drive down wages and conditions of course. A sell out to the un/under employed and those graduates struggling to get into a professional field and even worse a sell out to the nation.

I ignore the benefits of immigration do I? Fact is I have been an avid supporter of immigration over the decades. In times of rising unemployment numbers must sensibly be cut. Failing to do so could well result in the rise of right wing/anti foreigner sentiment and the establishment of a party that reflects those views.

Blind Freddy can see the newly established method will be open to all forms of abuse far worse than the 457 fiasco which started with good intentions.
The allowing of business to bring most anyone they wish without any checks really beggars belief.

the troubadour

The mouth piece of The Chamber of Commerce has stated what would have been expected by business of whom they represent.
You speak as if that speech makes it all ok. The Chamber of Commerce has given its approval so no need to worry.

Rather contrary every need to be concerned with the creation of smoke screens and business, government and other interests speaking in one voice, with not the interests of ordinary Australia in mind.

Like the 457 what started off as the highly skilled in order to sell the initial message, becomes far less so as time progresses.

A deeply concerning development in Abbott's open for business mantra.

the troubadour

Any more nimble a policy that allows business free flow of employees and we may as well provide hourly flights from a few dozen destinations that the managers like to recruit their labour. Any that don't perform send out on the next returning flight. Besides no need to test qualifications or language skills, the amount paid will be corporate secrets as well.

the troubadour

Not only Gina, a whole range of vested interests will be. The Chinese government was pushing for as much.

For those saying it will only be professionals entering my advice would be to get real.

How many so called professionals are going to be working alongside Australian and migrant professionals that have been clearly accessed to have the qualifications to do the job?
Already issues have been raised with bogus degrees. Pretty certain the onus is to bring in less skilled workers under those conditions who will work for minimum award rates or less. Likely the imported workers will have little possibility to lodge a complaint about conditions or wages.

BEVS

I gather you are not happy with this The Troubadour.

I have similar reservations about some aspects of a revised NZ immy policy

Beoz

Absolute bollocks. Complete rubbish

You choose to ignore the benefits to business growth this scheme has which in turn will create jobs. In order to prevent failing job availability you need to encourage growth. Its as simple as that.

If there are concerns about how businesses will use this scheme, rather than stop business immigration schemes, place the rules and enforcemence them. Cutting the scheme off at its source because of a small amount of abuses is something the nanny state needs to move away from.

You portrayed the 457 scheme as being completely abused across the board. OK there's a large number of 457 holders who visit these boards. Who thinks they've been employed as cheap labour?

We may have one or two but seriously, who would pack up their lives and travel across the globe for shite pay?

Beoz

I recently did some consultancy work in NZ for companies associated with milk production. Construction of milk processing plants. The money comes from China and there is a massive supply chain hanging off this industry. Many of the companies involved in this supply chain are making huge amounts and can't find enough staff to do the work. They are frantically looking around the world looking for peops. I stumbled across a number of Aussies working, previously involved in the mining boom in Oz. The point being this Chinese money is adding great value to the NZ economy and generating bags of jobs. Make as easy as possible for this money to flow in. What's worse jobs or no jobs?

the troubadour

I return the compliment complete bollocks and if the best the can do is quote a prepared statement from the Chamber of Commerce, an organisation that equates the *Unions but for business. They seek the best deal for their client. End off. Looks like back to the drawing boards I'm afraid for you.
As you are able to quote the C of C word for word, I'm sure you are internet savvy enough to be able to get what the Australian people, which includes migrants and refugees desire and see what is in their interests.

Read up what I said. Which was never 457's were abused across the board, but abused they were. From construction sites to slaughter houses.

Shite pay as you call it sounds pretty good to a Korean construction worker or an Italian waiter on minimum rates.

I personally have had dealings with abused 457's from Europe in Australia.
One size doesn't fit all.
Anyway a scheme that is anti Australian worker and with the potential to unleash unwanted political mayhem.

the troubadour

Amazing you are not more au fait with the subject on hand. There is a price too high to pay in selling out one's country regardless of the creation of a number of low paid in the main jobs.

Chinese have bought a number of diary farms in WA as well. Really happy to see someone is willing to tackle the employment issue even if it means selling the farm. Sarcasism intended.

Beoz

Really. The industry surrounding the dairy industry in NZ is employing cheap labour? You sure on that? Evidence?. More scare mongering from you maybe?

Well clearly you want jobs without tools and mechanisms in place to create them. I wish we all lived in your ideal world.

How about coming up with some ideas on how to achieve growth without exposing your own leftist motives.

Beoz

You are still ignoring the benefits to business and what that does for job creation.

You can't bitch and moan about falling jobs and not have an opinion about how to create them.

But that's OK. I don't really think jobs is your real agenda anyway.

fuchs01

Oh Scheisser, that means even more bloody Australian theme bars around Europe,
and aussis looking for bar work in London.Croation- Aussis taking over IT .
Kangeroo steaks will now be easy available, on every corner.
more young Australians taking a gap year, for 10 years.
My world is falling apart, is there nowhere sacred anymore.

the troubadour

I would hazard well founded reservations BEVS , considering the size of the NZ economy compared to the 'saviour' involved.

the troubadour

Obviously cancel free immigration without checks as the new act proposes, police properly 457's and investigate the rorts and bullying occurring on site. No point denying it as was involved in a particularly nasty case of bullying for want of a better word.

Reduce immigration during a downturn and only allow in migrants were a proven need in the labour market is proved.

For all your comments on the matter I don't think you have expressed just how a massively increased population is going to enhance the quality of live for those already here? Easy because it isn't. Quite the contrary. But that's ok. I don't think you give a darn anyway.

My agenda is clear. A fair go for all in OZ. That includes Aussie born, migrants, and refugees. What exactly is your agenda? If an Aussie selling out kith and kin ....if a Pom I think you know the answer.