Originally Posted by Beoz

I had quick peek at this late on Iview. I must admit, I fell asleep but will catch up with the rest later.

It was kind of comical, in one sense the program and presenter were determined to convince us population growth was bad.

On the other hand they kept showing historical population drives in Australia, mainly from the 50's and 60's where the same negative propaganda was being sold, like you are today, and in the end, only positives came from that growth.

Then they rolled out Bob Carr who was determined to tell us that if population expanded, we would need to buy tickets to do the Bondi to Bronte walk, but then later on other pundits told us that Sydney was in catch up mode because of lack of infrastructure investment in the past. At that point they really should of rolled at the man responsible for that ...... Bob Carr. ..... comical.

Dicks Smith claim was that Zetland is now full of high rise and and this is where houses with backyards once stood. Then he said factories once stood there, and the houses were a few streets away. Poor old Dick got kind of confused.

Then Dick said that everyone wanted the big house with big backyard and no one wants to live in an apartment and this is why growth is bad. Really Dick ....... Really ..... I certainly don't want 500 square metres of lawn to mow every weekend.

So in the end (well it wasn't the end I just feel asleep) the answer was that population growth is fine if infrastructure, schools, and hospitals keep getting built to service demand, and they are here, not sure about elsewhere.

Oh I forgot to mention, baby boomers, that was interesting, without population growth and tax income we wouldn't be able to support the baby boomers as they age.

How did it end up? Will catch up with the punch line later.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

WE don't live in a free country and I have already explained why the wings of ABC investigative journalism has been clipped.
For someone that feel asleep you are remarkably up to date on content of the program.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Well it does not take much persuasion to convince population growth on and above third world levels is bad now. Something I've been saying for a few years, obvious to most apart from those with agendas and rent seekers.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Glad to mentioned tax and the growing aged population. If business pays their correct share they'll be plenty of money to go around.
Record immigration is not needed to achieve this. Use your mind a little instead of reciting tired old Big Population fetish's and pose the question how does countries without population over load achieve perfectly good retirement outcomes with far, far smaller populations than Australia?

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Japan, a country you like to mention, without apparently knowing anything about it and falling population, I.277,+ to be precise as you ask.
Japan was the fifth largest population in the world in 1965 and is now 11th. GDP not reliant on population growth being on par, actually I think even higher than Australia.

Originally Posted by Beoz

So I got the jist of it in the first half and my summary doesn't need attention later? Oh great, free time. ZZZZZZ



Considering the arguments put forward by Dick Smith and Bob Carr were so poor, it looks like we are onwards and upwards with Big Australia.



So you've given up on the rich, those 2 per-centers who pay the bulk of tax?




Along with its deflation, negative interest rates, money printing, and largest public debt in the world, things are just rosy.

Do keep up.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Bob Carr was too restrained if anything but on the right track. Your such a sell out to either the country that gave you refuge or the country that raised you.


So happy to cheer on Sydney/Melbourne becoming mega cities of over 6 million people in a just over a generation? Both totally inadequately prepared and attempting to make ground from a point so far behind the ball as to be laughable.


All totally un necessary of course. Most the tax burden as well you know to which has been brought up time and time again is those of fixed wages without the means or knowledge to operate family trusts and other tax dodging practices.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Yes. If you dumped another 3 mil in either city today, it would be stressful.

You would be a bit dopey if you believe its going to happen overnight.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

I'm sure you'd find a way to sell that in order to make it sound a positive. For example you could fill your house with dorm beds, charging poor unfortunates from abroad half their daily earnings for a mattress.


The dystopian future you cheer on for Australia would come into place overnight. Instead of over a few decades while cheering on the rot ever gaining hold in this country.

Originally Posted by Beoz

I don't sell on here. I just cut through your crap with facts.

This fact is, there are not going to be 3 million more dumped in Sydney today.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

You manufacture crap wrapped in ideology. The fact is there is an intention to continue over loading places like Sydney with projected population in a few more decades to that of around New York or London now.


That will be an additional 3 Million people.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Cool

3 more decades to build subways, housing, schools, hospitals and most importantly rail links to the burbs for people who don't like living in the vibrancy.

Bring it on.

Whats your problem with that?

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Let me think..........try it sometime. The loss of liveability due to over loading. The inability to formulate proper planning as is the Aussie Way. Play it on the hoof. Falling living standards. You don't pile in millions then build infrastructure.


Not forgetting Australia was never asked if they wanted a Big Australia, with populations doubling in their cities inside thirty years.


Then there is the lack of need for flooding in workers as less as needed with changing work patterns. Socialise the mistake when business has no need for cheap workers?

Originally Posted by Beoz

None of the above is valid when you build. Did you read the future Sydney website? Providing we keep a Lib government in NSW we are fine. Bring in the ALP, the destroyers, then population growth, a big, vibrant city will have to be put on the back burner.

Not sure whats happening in Melb. Metro? Does it actually go anywhere useful? Level crossing removal?

Our living standards are increasing and rapidly over here thanks to the decline caused by the ALP and the stuff the Libs are doing. What's happening in Perth? - oh you have a nice new bling stadium. Nice.

Onwards and upwards. Only the resentful fear change.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Living standards are in decline as most Aussies know besides yourself it appears.


If it is Big City vibe you want why not go and live in an established over populated city. Mexico City, Mumbai, come to mind but there are plentiful enough to fulfil your dystopian urges without the destruction you want to bring onto to everybody else's standard of living.

Sadly ALP are equally (for the moment) seduced by developers. banks, real estate lobby and business to be equally guilty of fostering the destructive forces being enforced on people without any discussing or consent to do so.


What you are proposing is not change. It is the complete overhaul of a way of life something probably never attempted before.

Originally Posted by Beoz

No I will live here for now thank you very much, and embrace growth and everything that goes with it. Good and bad. I will especially embrace the increasing living standards that coming with accommodating growth.

You would not be such a misery case if you embraced the same. The world is moving forward. Do keep up.

Originally Posted by the troubadour

Fess up. You are a robot programmed to spew out one track information with repetition fed by the vested interests of the Real Estate Industry, Banks (there's a dirty word) Big Business and government and other rent seekers/vested interests.


If you were not a machine, you would be aware of the anguish and increasing anger out there with what is going on around people. Of course there are a segment who would sell their kids to slavery to maintain over inflated house prices and will go to the breach on that issue......but increasingly numbers have/are seeing the light.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Did you ever stop, pause and think for a second, maybe its me and not them?

Might be time for a bit of quiet reflection, ask yourself, where did I go so wrong, before moving forward.