Job in J'burg
Jul 11th 2008, 7:54 pm
#91
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Re: Job in J'burg
Fantasy?????????? Explain please? What fantasy?
Jul 11th 2008, 7:56 pm
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Ask any of the English - German -Italian people in SA about their own countries ........ they will probably come out with more negatives than positives .... that's why they left.
It's called human nature.
How can anybody outside of SA help? It needs to come from inside the country. From the people who are supposed to be running the country.
No amount of intervention from outside will make the slightest bit of difference .... and don't quote the end of apartheid as an example of me being wrong, because that change came from within the country.
I live in England, and I criticise that, too. I suppose I'm just an ingrate who is never satisfied.
Oh dear, so sue me!
It's called human nature.
How can anybody outside of SA help? It needs to come from inside the country. From the people who are supposed to be running the country.
No amount of intervention from outside will make the slightest bit of difference .... and don't quote the end of apartheid as an example of me being wrong, because that change came from within the country.
I live in England, and I criticise that, too. I suppose I'm just an ingrate who is never satisfied.
Oh dear, so sue me!
Jul 11th 2008, 8:06 pm
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Respect for Law starts at the top. If your leaders have no respect for the Law who should? I have pointed out examples in previous post. You are talking about one of the most lawless societies in the World in RSA. If friends and family participate in breaches of law they must be accountable as is the responsibility of any person living in a civilised society.
Yeah I was "forced" to participate in the process although I had done nothing illegal in terms of the current law. All the normal self cleansing clap trap that is processed for "official" consumption. You note that NOT A SINGLE leader of the ANC top brass fessed up to their atrocities both inside and outside the RSA during the period in question. So this was all about what the "apartheid regime" did to the majority. Perverse and unjust as normal.
What a cop out again. i had numerous friends killed during the Chimurenga. I didn't resort to becoming a killer, rapist and arsonist. This is not an excuse. The ANC staged an illegal and violent uprising against the legal Government of the RSA which was a sovereign state. Those are facts. The fact that certain sections of the World did not approve of the political policy in the RSA is immaterial. Do not start pointing fingers about what went on because what is going on in many parts of Africa is multiple times worse than anything that happened in the RSA.
Yeah I was "forced" to participate in the process although I had done nothing illegal in terms of the current law. All the normal self cleansing clap trap that is processed for "official" consumption. You note that NOT A SINGLE leader of the ANC top brass fessed up to their atrocities both inside and outside the RSA during the period in question. So this was all about what the "apartheid regime" did to the majority. Perverse and unjust as normal.
What a cop out again. i had numerous friends killed during the Chimurenga. I didn't resort to becoming a killer, rapist and arsonist. This is not an excuse. The ANC staged an illegal and violent uprising against the legal Government of the RSA which was a sovereign state. Those are facts. The fact that certain sections of the World did not approve of the political policy in the RSA is immaterial. Do not start pointing fingers about what went on because what is going on in many parts of Africa is multiple times worse than anything that happened in the RSA.
Would you resort to kill if your family was wrongly accused of terrorism?
Would you resort to kill if your kids were denied an education and you were treated like sh.t every day???
Do Not Say You Wouldnt...
You have never suffered...You only suffer because your comforts and security are gone.
Jul 11th 2008, 8:13 pm
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Juggernaut, once you accept that Africans (by which I assume you mean blacks or black Africans) possess a particular "brand of religion, morality, values" or a special black or African "worldview", then you are on precisely the same path as Verwoerd, whom you criticise; or the Nazis, for whom there was "Jewish science" and "Aryan science" and so on.
Just as modern exponents of "multiculturalism" like to claim that each race or "culture" and each subgroup (e.g., women, lesbians, etc) have some special worldview that no others can share or comprehend. It is an apartheid of the mind.
No one has a God-given right to rule. If you cannot, or will not, rule well, then you lose the title to rule. As for democracy, it is only as good as those who make up that democracy.
The objection to black rule in Africa was that blacks would mess it up.
Just as modern exponents of "multiculturalism" like to claim that each race or "culture" and each subgroup (e.g., women, lesbians, etc) have some special worldview that no others can share or comprehend. It is an apartheid of the mind.
No one has a God-given right to rule. If you cannot, or will not, rule well, then you lose the title to rule. As for democracy, it is only as good as those who make up that democracy.
The objection to black rule in Africa was that blacks would mess it up.
Black rule ... colonialism did great for its time, but where was there ever a smooth handover of power? Africa is about tribalism... its a different rule...
Jul 11th 2008, 9:39 pm
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Re: Job in J'burg
some meat for the lions to chew on...
Surely not.
Jul 11th 2008, 10:01 pm
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Gilliana, lets find points of agreement.
Apartheid was wrong,very wrong.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Basson and most of those who abused the system should have been put against a wall and shot.
So too those on the opposing side who knowingly targeted civilians.
The Airforce HQ bombing in Pretoria would have been a legitimate action and civilians Collateral damage as much as Women/Civilans/kids in an ANC HQ in Lesotho or Botswana.
Magoos bar, St Andrews Cathedral in CT and the pub in Dbn were civilian.
Shoot Macbride and co. too.
Your Comment however:
"but once again, i'm a fuzzy, emotional person and you probably the cold hard logic type... so we differ. However... just put yourself in their shoes, not for a day... but for a few years... and see how you feel when you suddenly get the right to vote. When your father was beaten to a pulp every day, your brother murdered for terrorist suspicion, your sister raped cos just she was black... and you stand / run safely (whatever it is that you do) ... "
I was at the TRC, were you? (and I was not testifying)
You have NO idea of the abuses visited upon ordinary ,decent, people by ALL sides in the Conflict.
You have no idea of the rapes, beatings and Murders visited upon people by the ANC, PAC and SACP "Cadres" to garner support by fear.
Their own fellow sufferers.
The theft of AID money was rife! hence the term "Struggle Accounting"
I am not justifying what was done for white supremacy.
I can assure you that what was done for black supremacy went beyond what most investigators could actually stomach.
History is written by the victor,
I listened to testimony at the TRC that does not appear anywhere on my file copy of the "Full" Transcripts of the TRC.
Tell me about your statement that I have quoted above?
Apartheid was wrong,very wrong.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Basson and most of those who abused the system should have been put against a wall and shot.
So too those on the opposing side who knowingly targeted civilians.
The Airforce HQ bombing in Pretoria would have been a legitimate action and civilians Collateral damage as much as Women/Civilans/kids in an ANC HQ in Lesotho or Botswana.
Magoos bar, St Andrews Cathedral in CT and the pub in Dbn were civilian.
Shoot Macbride and co. too.
Your Comment however:
"but once again, i'm a fuzzy, emotional person and you probably the cold hard logic type... so we differ. However... just put yourself in their shoes, not for a day... but for a few years... and see how you feel when you suddenly get the right to vote. When your father was beaten to a pulp every day, your brother murdered for terrorist suspicion, your sister raped cos just she was black... and you stand / run safely (whatever it is that you do) ... "
I was at the TRC, were you? (and I was not testifying)
You have NO idea of the abuses visited upon ordinary ,decent, people by ALL sides in the Conflict.
You have no idea of the rapes, beatings and Murders visited upon people by the ANC, PAC and SACP "Cadres" to garner support by fear.
Their own fellow sufferers.
The theft of AID money was rife! hence the term "Struggle Accounting"
I am not justifying what was done for white supremacy.
I can assure you that what was done for black supremacy went beyond what most investigators could actually stomach.
History is written by the victor,
I listened to testimony at the TRC that does not appear anywhere on my file copy of the "Full" Transcripts of the TRC.
Tell me about your statement that I have quoted above?
Jul 11th 2008, 10:04 pm
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Re: Job in J'burg
How long were they given to get out?
Jul 11th 2008, 10:13 pm
#102
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Re: Job in J'burg
Gilliana, lets find points of agreement.
Apartheid was wrong,very wrong.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Basson and most of those who abused the system should have been put against a wall and shot.
So too those on the opposing side who knowingly targeted civilians.
The Airforce HQ bombing in Pretoria would have been a legitimate action and civilians Collateral damage as much as Women/Civilans/kids in an ANC HQ in Lesotho or Botswana.
Magoos bar, St Andrews Cathedral in CT and the pub in Dbn were civilian.
Shoot Macbride and co. too.
Your Comment however:
"but once again, i'm a fuzzy, emotional person and you probably the cold hard logic type... so we differ. However... just put yourself in their shoes, not for a day... but for a few years... and see how you feel when you suddenly get the right to vote. When your father was beaten to a pulp every day, your brother murdered for terrorist suspicion, your sister raped cos just she was black... and you stand / run safely (whatever it is that you do) ... "
I was at the TRC, were you? (and I was not testifying)
You have NO idea of the abuses visited upon ordinary ,decent, people by ALL sides in the Conflict.
You have no idea of the rapes, beatings and Murders visited upon people by the ANC, PAC and SACP "Cadres" to garner support by fear.
Their own fellow sufferers.
The theft of AID money was rife! hence the term "Struggle Accounting"
I am not justifying what was done for white supremacy.
I can assure you that what was done for black supremacy went beyond what most investigators could actually stomach.
History is written by the victor,
I listened to testimony at the TRC that does not appear anywhere on my file copy of the "Full" Transcripts of the TRC.
Tell me about your statement that I have quoted above?
Apartheid was wrong,very wrong.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Basson and most of those who abused the system should have been put against a wall and shot.
So too those on the opposing side who knowingly targeted civilians.
The Airforce HQ bombing in Pretoria would have been a legitimate action and civilians Collateral damage as much as Women/Civilans/kids in an ANC HQ in Lesotho or Botswana.
Magoos bar, St Andrews Cathedral in CT and the pub in Dbn were civilian.
Shoot Macbride and co. too.
Your Comment however:
"but once again, i'm a fuzzy, emotional person and you probably the cold hard logic type... so we differ. However... just put yourself in their shoes, not for a day... but for a few years... and see how you feel when you suddenly get the right to vote. When your father was beaten to a pulp every day, your brother murdered for terrorist suspicion, your sister raped cos just she was black... and you stand / run safely (whatever it is that you do) ... "
I was at the TRC, were you? (and I was not testifying)
You have NO idea of the abuses visited upon ordinary ,decent, people by ALL sides in the Conflict.
You have no idea of the rapes, beatings and Murders visited upon people by the ANC, PAC and SACP "Cadres" to garner support by fear.
Their own fellow sufferers.
The theft of AID money was rife! hence the term "Struggle Accounting"
I am not justifying what was done for white supremacy.
I can assure you that what was done for black supremacy went beyond what most investigators could actually stomach.
History is written by the victor,
I listened to testimony at the TRC that does not appear anywhere on my file copy of the "Full" Transcripts of the TRC.
Tell me about your statement that I have quoted above?
BUT... corruption - its rife.. you will find it everywhere and anywhere where humans feel power. So i cannot comment. We as the laymen... we condemn it, we vote against it cos we dont want it. What comment must I give? That South Africa is unique in its corruption?
Jul 11th 2008, 10:14 pm
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Re: Job in J'burg
sorry its Daxk...not Daxb.
Jul 11th 2008, 10:22 pm
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Ok Daxk... what about the millions pledge (through UK) for the Tsumnai Funds and they received less than half....
Do you want to talk about the corruption in charities?
Do you want to talk about the corruption in charities?
Jul 11th 2008, 10:23 pm
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I'm confused at the difference?