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Paul S Mar 19th 2009 3:43 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Floridared (Post 7397632)
When I answer the phone at my restaurant, I say this is Paul speaking, and quite often it goes quiet for a second, then they'll reply Pooal? One guy even called me Ball! I was tempted to ask "left or right" :confused:

thank cripes I'm not the only once who experiences this:rofl:

Do you get the same dumb look when you spell it out and it dawns on them what your name is?
:eek:

meauxna Mar 19th 2009 5:11 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Umpatan (Post 7397546)
Maybe you ought to tell them that THEY got an AMERICAN accent. I know we have hundreds of different variations in the UK, but to play their egos on this, it would be good to remind them whose language are they speaking.
They need to be reminded that English comes from England!
I speak with a Canadian accent because I came to Vancouver when I was five. And when I return, I am commented on having an American accent, and I do say it is a Canadian accent, and that is the way it is, because it is I who has the accent being raised abroad. I think if you like North America but want to live where they don't hate the British, you should try Canada where they are mostly descendants of loyalists. (Of course, French Quebec is a different story)

gods, you're a freak. Get over yourself.

orangemirror Mar 19th 2009 5:26 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
This might be a load of bollocks and maybe already been discussed on here. But i did hear that the American accent is similar to how people talked in Britain a few hundred years ago, and we changed the way we speak due to changes in fashion, etc.

Norri Mar 19th 2009 11:41 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7398264)
This might be a load of bollocks and maybe already been discussed on here. But i did hear that the American accent is similar to how people talked in Britain a few hundred years ago, and we changed the way we speak due to changes in fashion, etc.

I have no idea but my guess would be bollocks :D

meauxna Mar 20th 2009 12:01 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Norri (Post 7399347)
I have no idea but my guess would be bollocks :D

Then I am going to have to support the theory. Just on principle. :)

viceversa Mar 20th 2009 6:19 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
I am mocked almost daily for my accent. My boss actually quizzed me yesterday on how I pronounce certain words; if I pronounce them the way he does, the response was, "oh, that's okay then". if not, he'd laugh. Seems to be fair game, open season on accents, year-round.

Servers get my order wrong regularly, and I've never had anyone here get my name right on the first try (although, admittedly, it's a somewhat unusual name).

I suppose if I weren't so confident (read: stubborn), I might try to soften my accent, but I don't want to sound fake. *shrug* Just my experience from the other way 'round.

Okuda Mar 20th 2009 6:45 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
I get asked daily about my accent ... even in McDonalds

I work in a Dr's office and this really old southern man called and was trying to ask something .. he couldn't understand a word I was saying and vise versa lol, had to get someone else to take the call.

One time I was in the mall and I got asked if we have Kangaroos in England ..... :blink:

sime303 Mar 20th 2009 7:13 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Okuda (Post 7401813)

One time I was in the mall and I got asked if we have Kangaroos in England ..... :blink:

We do, I saw them at the Cotswold Wildlife Park

orangemirror Mar 20th 2009 7:31 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Okuda (Post 7401813)

One time I was in the mall and I got asked if we have Kangaroos in England ..... :blink:

That reminds me that when i was in Australia a guy asked me if we had Meat Pies in England. That was the first question he wanted to ask me when finding out I was English. Then he asked me if we had The Bill TV programme in England.

Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg Mar 20th 2009 8:24 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Norri (Post 7399347)
I have no idea but my guess would be bollocks :D

This is partly true. The classic stereotypical 'American Accent' is very similar to the accent spoken by most people in England in the 17th & 18th centuries.

The 'most common stereotype of the 'English' accent is 'Queens English' 'or whot one speaks when one is considered frightfully posh' Officially know as Received Pronunciation' or RP and made famous worldwide by the BBC world service and British colonialism. It is a deliberately created form of pronunciation that borrows from all sorts of English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh dialects.

Most other English 'accents' Geordie, Brummie, Liverpudlian, etc etc are not accents at all but dialects and therefore more authentically 'natural'.

Because of RP and the snobbery and elitism that surrounded it,much that was common in dialects throughout the country at that point became softened, or even ridiculed into obscurity or localized/marginalized. This did not happen to the same degree in America. For example the softening of the R sounds, what had been Budder became Butter through RP in England but remains as Budder in most of the USA.

Of course the typical (and there is really no such thing) 'American accent' of today has been greatly affected by the immigration from other countries/cultures and has changed vastly from the time of George Washington, as well as developing distinct regional differences. However it is highly likely that a 17th century Englishman would be far more able to understand a broad American accent than the weird Ameri-Engl-Mid-Atlantic-Hollywood-glish that is so common in many parts of the UK today.

Just for fun whilst we are talking about accents and words - Bollocks was the Anglo Saxon word for testicles. Like most current 'English' Swear words it was a perfectly normal word. In fact in Anglo-Saxon England there were no 'Swear words' only curses. Only when the Normans turned up (and they spoke French) bringing Christianity with them did the Church start associating Anglo-Saxon words with paganism start to label them 'bad' words. If you used Anglo-Saxon words you were defacto a heathen yobbo... the rest is history.

Fork me! I guess Pete & Dud, Viz, Gordon Ramsey et al would have had a considerably less in the arsenal if was not for the Normans ehh?

Here endeth the lesson...And yeah, I know this is really nerdy and pedantic but its Friday, should rekindle the flames in this thread.

Sir Denis

orangemirror Mar 20th 2009 8:50 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg (Post 7402071)
Bollocks was the Anglo Saxon word for testicles.

Interesting stuff. I wonder why Americans don't use bollocks if it goes back to Anglo Saxon times? It's probably my favourite swear word. It has so many uses. I've taught it to all my US relatives and they all love it and use it all the time instead of bullshit. They don't really understand that it's rude though so even the 5 year olds run around shouting it. Oh well.

Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg Mar 20th 2009 9:00 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7402171)
Interesting stuff. I wonder why Americans don't use bollocks if it goes back to Anglo Saxon times? It's probably my favourite swear word. It has so many uses. I've taught it to all my US relatives and they all love it and use it all the time instead of bullshit. They don't really understand that it's rude though so even the 5 year olds run around shouting it. Oh well.

Probably something to do with the fact that in the 18th century it became common slang in the UK for Clergymen along with 'Ballocks'... no idea why.

I suspect that whilst a healthy ability to mock the religious establishment has always been tolerated in Blighty such things do not go down as well with our more devout brethren here in the colonies ... so it most likely it died out.

I love the fact that Parminda Nagra as Neela says it all the time on ER without editing, but Hugh Laurie (with a great US accent) cannot say Arse (sorry, Ass) on House without being censored. Brilliant!

mistahsinclair Mar 20th 2009 9:11 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7402171)
They don't really understand that it's rude though so even the 5 year olds run around shouting it. Oh well.

Ah yes...my 5 year old tells the dog to 'bugger off'.

That's ma boy!

Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg Mar 20th 2009 9:12 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
Sorry I could not help myself......

A December 2000 white paper from the Advertising Standards Authority. titled 'Deleted Expletives' Places "bollocks" in eighth position in terms of its perceived severity, between "pr*ck" (seventh place) and "ar**hole" (ninth place).

Well at least they get their Biology right!

By comparison, the word "balls" only reaches number 22.

I know, I am bad, sorry, sorry, sorry, I just love that they actually spent time and money compling a list that runs to 64 pages!!!!!

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archi...rch/delete.pdf

orangemirror Mar 20th 2009 9:12 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg (Post 7402196)
I love the fact that Parminda Nagra as Neela says it all the time on ER without editing, but Hugh Laurie (with a great US accent) cannot say Arse (sorry, Ass) on House without being censored. Brilliant!

I was a bit surprised when i first came here that it was perfectly acceptable to say Piss on network tv but completely unacceptable to say other stuff that we would consider much milder.

jmh Mar 20th 2009 9:17 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
I was on an Open Uni forum for a course I was doing and a guy who posted 'I'm buggered' meaning he was tired, was threatened with expulsion!!

In NZ the word would not be considered rude, but it is here in the UK it seems.

Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg Mar 20th 2009 9:19 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
Read the list from the ASA, first you will laugh, then you will cry. The fact that bar one, racial/religious slurs rank lower and receive fewer complaints than Bollocks! What a sad world we live in!

mistahsinclair Mar 20th 2009 9:23 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg (Post 7402233)

(Being Scottish) My favourite made number 1! Would make number 1 in the US too!

mistahsinclair Mar 20th 2009 9:25 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
Number 11...hahah

Seperated by a common language...

I took a picture in Walmart the other day of an item they had on sale...

The Ultimate Shagger - made by Wilson sporting goods!

Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg Mar 20th 2009 9:31 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by mistahsinclair (Post 7402264)
(Being Scottish) My favourite made number 1! Would make number 1 in the US too!

Well apparently that word, had never been uttered on US Network TV until Feb 2008 ... by JANE FONDA of all people!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...f_n_86686.html

I suspect it would top the ranking in all English speaking countries mainly because it is always 100% derogatory and demeaning to women, unlike the Male equivalents which have in some cases become almost complimentary... again strange sad world we live in.

mistahsinclair Mar 20th 2009 9:33 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg (Post 7402292)
mainly because it is always 100% derogatory and demeaning to women

Funny that...I've most often heard it directed at men, by men.

Bluegrass Lass Mar 20th 2009 9:47 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by mistahsinclair (Post 7402268)
Number 11...hahah

Seperated by a common language...

I took a picture in Walmart the other day of an item they had on sale...

The Ultimate Shagger - made by Wilson sporting goods!

Was driving past a carpet store a few months back. The OH and I had a great laugh because their sign was advertising a "Short Shag Sale" :rofl:

orangemirror Mar 20th 2009 9:50 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
I'd say that No 5 is considered worse than No 1 in this day and age. And quite right too. Afterall No 1 is only a rude word for a part of the body. i use No 1 all the time but i'd never use no 5.

Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg Mar 20th 2009 9:51 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by mistahsinclair (Post 7402299)
Funny that...I've most often heard it directed at men, by men.

As an insult a male directing that word at another male is particularly demeaning to women as it infers negativity towards the female body and a superiority of the male. Otherwise it would be a compliment :unsure:

Interesting that women also direct this word at other women (and men) when they want to cause maximum offence (depending on which pubs you hang out in of course) and rarely use male orientated versions, which are not generally seen as so severe/powerful. :huh:

Okachickima Mar 20th 2009 9:58 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by mistahsinclair (Post 7402264)
(Being Scottish) My favourite made number 1! Would make number 1 in the US too!

The use of the word "Jew" is considered swearing in Britain? How do you refer to a practitioner of Judaism?

mistahsinclair Mar 20th 2009 10:02 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Okachickima (Post 7402379)
The use of the word "Jew" is considered swearing in Britain? How do you refer to a practitioner of Judaism?

Uhm...as a "practitioner of Judaism" maybe.

Good morning my practitioner of Judaism-ish friend...something like that.

...or maybe just Rabbi (wait that might not be P.C. either).

Sir Denis Eaton-Hogg Mar 20th 2009 10:10 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7402350)
I'd say that No 5 is considered worse than No 1 in this day and age. And quite right too. Afterall No 1 is only a rude word for a part of the body. i use No 1 all the time but i'd never use no 5.

No5 is an out and out insult that brings with it a huge amount of cultural and historical baggage. particulary in America for what it represents and the power that it once had to oppress by word alone.

It is grossly offensive, but interestingly more so within a certain generation.

Some older people in the UK do not see it as that offensive, but they also tended to watch Alf Garnett and Jim Davidson 'innocently'. At the other end of the scale you will hear a lot of kids and teens using this word 'casually' between themselves, both in the US and UK, almost in an attempt to destroy any power that the word may retain by making it trivial.

I suspect and hope 'that word' will have disappeared entirely from popular speech within a generation, and will be consigned to history along with the obsolete and outmoded ideas that it came to symbolise.

Englishtart Mar 20th 2009 11:28 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7402350)
I'd say that No 5 is considered worse than No 1 in this day and age. And quite right too. Afterall No 1 is only a rude word for a part of the body. i use No 1 all the time but i'd never use no 5.

I just looked at the list, I was thinking exactly the same thing! I don't use #1
but I wouldn't ever think about saying #5:confused:

dunroving Mar 20th 2009 11:30 pm

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7398264)
This might be a load of bollocks and maybe already been discussed on here. But i did hear that the American accent is similar to how people talked in Britain a few hundred years ago, and we changed the way we speak due to changes in fashion, etc.

You've been reading "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson, maybe? Many of the spellings, certainly, changed in the UK but remained the same in the US - so it's US spelling that is "correct" most of the time and UK spelling that is "wrong/changed" And apparently there are pockets of people up in the Appalachian mountains who speak Elizabethan English

Lothianlad Mar 21st 2009 1:08 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7401956)
That reminds me that when i was in Australia a guy asked me if we had Meat Pies in England. That was the first question he wanted to ask me when finding out I was English. Then he asked me if we had The Bill TV programme in England.

Meat pies have been reported as being on sale at Kinross Market but when I went over there especially on Saturday I couldn't find any anywhere. I reckon it was just a wicked rumour.

The TV TImes says that with a wee bit of luck The Bill should make an appearance on British TV sometime in mid to late 2010.

Lothianlad Mar 21st 2009 1:16 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Englishtart (Post 7385723)
you can't be serious? I haven't lived here too long that I forget the fascination with all things American in England! Things can't have changed that much surely :confused:


Ummmmmm...well, yes they have actually....a lot.

orangemirror Mar 21st 2009 1:37 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by dunroving (Post 7402662)
You've been reading "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson, maybe? Many of the spellings, certainly, changed in the UK but remained the same in the US - so it's US spelling that is "correct" most of the time and UK spelling that is "wrong/changed" And apparently there are pockets of people up in the Appalachian mountains who speak Elizabethan English

I haven't read it but i think i'd like to. Is it worth a read?

Kaffy Mintcake Mar 21st 2009 1:55 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by dunroving (Post 7402662)
You've been reading "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson, maybe? Many of the spellings, certainly, changed in the UK but remained the same in the US - so it's US spelling that is "correct" most of the time and UK spelling that is "wrong/changed" And apparently there are pockets of people up in the Appalachian mountains who speak Elizabethan English

That's really interesting. My late grandfather was fluent in Swedish as most of our ancestors came from Sweden. He was chosen as a member of a delegation to welcome some VIP Swedes to San Francisco about 20 years ago. When he asked how his Swedish was, he was told that he spoke the way the Swedes would have about 100 years ago. Makes sense when you think about it.

Juswus Mar 21st 2009 2:07 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7402962)
I haven't read it but i think i'd like to. Is it worth a read?

I enjoyed it :thumbsup:

YoungSteve17 Mar 21st 2009 2:54 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Floridared (Post 7393218)
"What's it like to live in a Free Country"

:rofl::rofl:

What was your reaction ???

YoungSteve17 Mar 21st 2009 3:16 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 
My favorite one is spunk
I don't know how many times i have heard people over here say something like

"Dam that girl has spunk "

:rofl:

Englishtart Mar 21st 2009 3:18 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7402962)
I haven't read it but i think i'd like to. Is it worth a read?

All of his books are worth reading, I especially liked "tales from a small Island":thumbsup:

Floridared Mar 21st 2009 3:32 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by YoungSteve17 (Post 7403131)
:rofl::rofl:

What was your reaction ???

Astonishment really!! I'm from England Madam, not Bloody Russia!! :huh:

orangemirror Mar 21st 2009 3:49 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by Juswus (Post 7403018)
I enjoyed it :thumbsup:


Originally Posted by Englishtart (Post 7403188)
All of his books are worth reading, I especially liked "tales from a small Island":thumbsup:

Great. I'll give them a try then. I read his History of Everything book and enjoyed that one a lot.
I saw Mother Tongue in a shop recently and nearly bought it. Should have done. I thought it would be fun for my wife and i to read. Literally everyday one of us will say something and the other one will be "what the hell are you talking about?"

Norri Mar 21st 2009 4:09 am

Re: is your accent something that gets commented on alot
 

Originally Posted by dunroving (Post 7402662)
You've been reading "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson, maybe? Many of the spellings, certainly, changed in the UK but remained the same in the US - so it's US spelling that is "correct" most of the time and UK spelling that is "wrong/changed" And apparently there are pockets of people up in the Appalachian mountains who speak Elizabethan English

Riveting as his musings are can BB really be relied on as a historian?


Originally Posted by Lothianlad (Post 7402920)
Meat pies have been reported as being on sale at Kinross Market but when I went over there especially on Saturday I couldn't find any anywhere. I reckon it was just a wicked rumour.

The TV TImes says that with a wee bit of luck The Bill should make an appearance on British TV sometime in mid to late 2010.

You can find anything at Kinross market, you must have been too late for the pies ;)


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