Are You Taking an American's Job?
Aug 19th 2009, 9:36 pm
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
I know there's some industries that Americans won't do and in some cases, can't do. I think I'm working in one such industry.
Aug 20th 2009, 4:39 am
#49
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
No, I'm not!
This according to my (American) colleague who complained about all the (pesky L-1 visa-holding) non-Americans in our workplace who were "coming over here and getting jobs" that should belong to Americans . I remarked upon my own foreignness and the fact that my job could just as easily be done by an American, but she reassured me that she wasn't talking about people like me, who are married to Americans and therefore automatically become citizens ourselves. Do we? Woohoo, no need for that N-400 next year, then! Apparently, though, the fact that I'm english and married to a local exempts me from the "stealing American jobs" accusation...
I'm being mean here, but that one did have me a bit confused!
This according to my (American) colleague who complained about all the (pesky L-1 visa-holding) non-Americans in our workplace who were "coming over here and getting jobs" that should belong to Americans . I remarked upon my own foreignness and the fact that my job could just as easily be done by an American, but she reassured me that she wasn't talking about people like me, who are married to Americans and therefore automatically become citizens ourselves. Do we? Woohoo, no need for that N-400 next year, then! Apparently, though, the fact that I'm english and married to a local exempts me from the "stealing American jobs" accusation...
I'm being mean here, but that one did have me a bit confused!
Aug 20th 2009, 12:45 pm
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
No, I'm not!
This according to my (American) colleague who complained about all the (pesky L-1 visa-holding) non-Americans in our workplace who were "coming over here and getting jobs" that should belong to Americans . I remarked upon my own foreignness and the fact that my job could just as easily be done by an American, but she reassured me that she wasn't talking about people like me, who are married to Americans and therefore automatically become citizens ourselves. Do we? Woohoo, no need for that N-400 next year, then! Apparently, though, the fact that I'm english and married to a local exempts me from the "stealing American jobs" accusation...
I'm being mean here, but that one did have me a bit confused!
This according to my (American) colleague who complained about all the (pesky L-1 visa-holding) non-Americans in our workplace who were "coming over here and getting jobs" that should belong to Americans . I remarked upon my own foreignness and the fact that my job could just as easily be done by an American, but she reassured me that she wasn't talking about people like me, who are married to Americans and therefore automatically become citizens ourselves. Do we? Woohoo, no need for that N-400 next year, then! Apparently, though, the fact that I'm english and married to a local exempts me from the "stealing American jobs" accusation...
I'm being mean here, but that one did have me a bit confused!
When I go on to explain about the visa process (and cost), not being able to do reserved jobs, not being eligible for benefits etc. surprise changes to shock that there aren't any special breaks for the English.
Comments (bear in mind we're in TX) have ranged from the benign: "That's crazy, England started this country."
through the slightly suspect: "Those [employment] laws were intended for illegals, not English folks."
and beyond: "Man, you should have come in via El Paso, you could have had all the benefits you wanted."
Sep 3rd 2009, 12:03 am
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
Well, I'm an American of what you would call "aboriginal" person, or "red Indian" and I can't seem to find a job in the field I studied in college to save my life. I don't know for sure that all those jobs are taken by Western Europeans here on H1B work visas or if they've just frozen hiring since I graduated into the worst economy the US has seen since my father's day (just prior to World War 2).
Government jobs at all levels do hire mostly US citizens. It's the private sector that does all this "recruitment of foreigners" that the "native" US citizens complain about. I do know that European immigrants on the proper work visas over here don't have the problems keeping their jobs that those of us REAL Natives do...except for the issue of their not being US citizens, that is. Except for "right to be here" paperwork, their jobs are the most secure of anything I've ever seen in the world.
(I was an Environmental Science major, Math minor, by the way...but as an Aboriginal person, I see jobs that say high school education is all that's required and high-school biology and it's something like lab assistant, glasswasher, cleaning up the lab and setting up the equipment for experiments, feeding the lab animals, etc, and know full well that I wouldn't qualify for it without at least a Master's of Science...)
Anyway, to answer the question "Are You Taking an American's Job" - you aren't taking anything that any American employer would give to an American Native Aboriginal person anyway.
Government jobs at all levels do hire mostly US citizens. It's the private sector that does all this "recruitment of foreigners" that the "native" US citizens complain about. I do know that European immigrants on the proper work visas over here don't have the problems keeping their jobs that those of us REAL Natives do...except for the issue of their not being US citizens, that is. Except for "right to be here" paperwork, their jobs are the most secure of anything I've ever seen in the world.
(I was an Environmental Science major, Math minor, by the way...but as an Aboriginal person, I see jobs that say high school education is all that's required and high-school biology and it's something like lab assistant, glasswasher, cleaning up the lab and setting up the equipment for experiments, feeding the lab animals, etc, and know full well that I wouldn't qualify for it without at least a Master's of Science...)
Anyway, to answer the question "Are You Taking an American's Job" - you aren't taking anything that any American employer would give to an American Native Aboriginal person anyway.
Sep 3rd 2009, 12:51 am
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
Sep 5th 2009, 3:08 pm
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
Without reservation.
Yes.
Yes.
Sep 6th 2009, 5:55 pm
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
Well, I'm an American of what you would call "aboriginal" person, or "red Indian" and I can't seem to find a job in the field I studied in college to save my life. I don't know for sure that all those jobs are taken by Western Europeans here on H1B work visas or if they've just frozen hiring since I graduated into the worst economy the US has seen since my father's day (just prior to World War 2).
Government jobs at all levels do hire mostly US citizens. It's the private sector that does all this "recruitment of foreigners" that the "native" US citizens complain about. I do know that European immigrants on the proper work visas over here don't have the problems keeping their jobs that those of us REAL Natives do...except for the issue of their not being US citizens, that is. Except for "right to be here" paperwork, their jobs are the most secure of anything I've ever seen in the world.
(I was an Environmental Science major, Math minor, by the way...but as an Aboriginal person, I see jobs that say high school education is all that's required and high-school biology and it's something like lab assistant, glasswasher, cleaning up the lab and setting up the equipment for experiments, feeding the lab animals, etc, and know full well that I wouldn't qualify for it without at least a Master's of Science...)
Anyway, to answer the question "Are You Taking an American's Job" - you aren't taking anything that any American employer would give to an American Native Aboriginal person anyway.
Government jobs at all levels do hire mostly US citizens. It's the private sector that does all this "recruitment of foreigners" that the "native" US citizens complain about. I do know that European immigrants on the proper work visas over here don't have the problems keeping their jobs that those of us REAL Natives do...except for the issue of their not being US citizens, that is. Except for "right to be here" paperwork, their jobs are the most secure of anything I've ever seen in the world.
(I was an Environmental Science major, Math minor, by the way...but as an Aboriginal person, I see jobs that say high school education is all that's required and high-school biology and it's something like lab assistant, glasswasher, cleaning up the lab and setting up the equipment for experiments, feeding the lab animals, etc, and know full well that I wouldn't qualify for it without at least a Master's of Science...)
Anyway, to answer the question "Are You Taking an American's Job" - you aren't taking anything that any American employer would give to an American Native Aboriginal person anyway.
Regards.
P.S. I once heard a female, native American, attorney say, that the biggest mistake her people ever made, was their failure to control both legal and illegal immigration to their country.
Last edited by CelticRover; Sep 6th 2009 at 6:02 pm.
Sep 7th 2009, 2:32 am
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
Does not the preferential hiring practice apply to Native Americans as well? It doesn't seem to be an issue here on the East Coast. There are a few of us Yanks on here that have Native American ancestors.
Sep 7th 2009, 5:11 pm
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
Asolutely. I am not sure, but isn't there a minimum % to qualify as a tribal member?
Sep 9th 2009, 12:54 am
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Sep 9th 2009, 1:13 am
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Re: Are You Taking an American's Job?
Most Oklahomans I have met, were quite proud of their Cherokee heritage.