SATX John

Hmmm isolationist President, while supporting the War in the Atlantic and encouraging US warships to attack submarines.

You miss the war he wanted to fight, Germany vs Japan. Little support to the UK during 1939-1941 is laughable, the entire Lend Lease Act favored the UK in the war. No similar option was available for Germany. So neutrality was not an issue.

Took one hour, yeah, because Japan attacked us. The US did not declare war on Germany, they did that to us. The US did not declare war on Germany until 11 Dec, again after they did to us.

That Brazilian division sure helped in Italy, and the Mexican fighter squadron, you are right

Your last part is spot on, the reparations imposed were a contributing factor too, that led to the climate that allowed a Hitler to gain power in Germany.

I disagree with several of your posts above. Your first one was the lobbying effort of certain anglophiles that said that, not all within the govt supported that message. Roosevelt actively supported the French and UK from 1939 on.

Your second point, I also disagree with, what about European collective guilt from 1933? Chamberlain etc... Europe allowed it to happen not the US? If you are talking about the Holocaust, reference German collective guilt since they too allowed it to happen and did nothing.

Your idea that everyone fought and should get a medal is well, the current politically correct thought we see in schools etc... Who was the arsenal of democracy? Who turned the tide? When was the "Allied" plan to reinvade the continent, without the US?

You are minimizing the tipping point of an entire nation at war, protected by oceans, provided an endless supply of tanks, aircraft and soldiers to fight nations that were already worn down.

Without Pearl Harbor, the US would not have entered the European conflict, IMHO. Unless, the Germans attacked the Western Hemisphere. Roosevelt knew this and created policies and rules of engagement to create tension with Nazi Germany in the Atlantic.

Oy Vey....

Also, FYI Iran under the Shah had a thriving Jewish community, maybe why so many saboteurs / agents are found in Iran today.

kimilseung

It really does look like you have replied to different post than those quoted.
If any post sums you up, it is this. Looks like you did not read the posts, but assumed their content.
Perfect illustration of Sally's point that is for sure.

Yorkieabroad

.....you chat to a few of the competitors at the "World BBQ Championships" and are not really surprised that the furthest any of the teams had to travel was from Wisconsin.....

Lion in Winter

Actually, I think your first sign was being at a "World BBQ Championship" to start off with.

Pulaski

..... you consider cooking (of any sort) to be a competitive spectator sport.

Lion in Winter

Good point. There is a lot of that here, isn't there.

Not that I would ever win anything, except in making custard. I'm good at that.

Pulaski

Do you make rhubarb crumble too? ... My favourite dessert ever!

Leslie

Also, and I'll shut up about it after this, in response to Sally's initial comments about the lack of American acknowledgement of the importance of Russia in WW2 ...

The Cold War started immediately after the end of WW2 and the government propaganda machine ran full tilt against Russia for generations after that. Having come of age in the 70s and 80s, I can tell you first hand that, saying (or teaching) anything remotely positive about Russia was considered subversive. Even as recently as the last presidential election, Mitt Romney was still banging the Red Scare drum. Old fears and hatreds die hard.

Yorkieabroad

Darn - I thought that was "normal" behavior.....it may be worse than I thought

To be fair, we were only "passing through" on the way to Seaworld....it was being held in their carpark on a "closed to the public" weekend. Apart from the 10's of 1000's of dollars in BBQ equipment, it looked more like a gypsy camp about to be raided by The Sweeney, rather than any sort of World Championship......

Lion in Winter

I have trouble getting rhubarb here. I do a pretty mean apple crumble if that's any consolation. With custard, of course.

Oh and treacle tart, too.

GeoffM

for trying to bring it back on topic!

Anyway, BBQ championships should include the challenges of lighting a soggy disposable BBQ with matches that fall to pieces when you try to strike them, with a pot of white spirit (used) to help light it, with frozen horsemeat burgers labelled as beef, in the pouring rain, howling wind, a bent fork for tongs, and a can of warm Stella for company. That's proper BBQing.

Yorkieabroad

[QUOTE=GeoffM;10530808]for trying to bring it back on topic!

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I'm well guilty of rambling off topic on numerous other threads so thought it was time I took one for the team.....

Pulaski

.... you draw a distinction between BBQing and grilling, and look down on those who grill food and think they are "having a BBQ".

kimilseung

My inept cooking methods always start of as barbecue, but end up grilling, as demanded by the hungry throng.

robin1234

One advantage of living in the frigid, rural north country; rhubarb grows everywhere, and once established, it grows forever. I cook with it all spring (crumbles mostly, but it is good in a vegetable curry, too.). My wife gets ten or twenty pounds of it each season and makes a big batch of wine. The degenerate locals around here seem to have forgotten that rhubarb is edible, so will let us take as much as we want from their patches..