Wintersong

He once choked on a pretzel.

tony126

[QUOTE=fatbrit]Dunno whether I'm one of those Democrats, but I'll take you up on it anyway, Tony. All leaders have flaws, some are graver than others.

That is a comment I can tune into. The point is here that Rove is under fire, and as I have stated Ithink he is on a sticky wicket. If found guilty he should go. I am, contrary to what opinions people may have, neither Democrat or Republican.
Rove is fair game at the moment but then Clinton was guilty of lying under oath. I cannot recall any Democrats shouting for his resignation What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Unfortunately FB it is not GWB that is under the spotlight, it is Rove.

Wintersong

The point being made was that Bush stated that he would fire whoever it was who leaked the info. That's what the discussion hinges on.

Everything else is just pissing in the wind, I'm afraid. Clinton has no relevance to this whatsoever.

tony126

I think I made my point that I agree with this. But then it is party politics to shout foul when it is the Government in power does wrong. That is the point I am making. Our points of view will have about as much effect as pissing in the wind.

Wintersong

Of course it is! That's the whole point of the opposition party...

And yep on your last point - especially since most of us can't even vote over here

elfman

about something that wasn't in any way illegal and something that a number of of his republican accusers were equally guilty of.

tony126

So lying under oath is not illegal?

Wintersong

No... he said about something which wasn't illegal.

fatbrit

[QUOTE=tony126] Think many Democrats (and his wife!) were incredibly pissed with Clinton because of his testosterone getting him into hot water and his rather squeamish attempt to get out of it. I'm sure many of them told him directly to his face. However, in comparison to his great successes as president, it pales into insignificance in my book.

Where the left took umbrage was:

a) the Starr witchhunt -- let's face it, if I was given an unlimited budget and unlimited timeline to investigate your life, do you think I couldn't find something you were a little embarrassed about?

b) the impeachment -- where were they going here? No idea, but it did not do the US any favours. The rest of the world couldn't stop laughing (not at Clinton but at the Republicans), and domestically it caused total polarization. Impeach somebody for a lie that has caused thousands to needlessly die, not lying about consensually sticking your dick in the wrong woman.

I disagree about the conversation being about Rove, not Bush, since the two are almost one and the same, i.e. without one, the other could not hold his current position. And anyway, the original conversation before we were dearly treated to Law 101 and a lot of smoke was about the disgusting misinformation and crappy standard at ****s, the very voice of the neocon.

tony126

[QUOTE=fatbrit] There is every chance I will be able to vote at the next election. I certainly have not made up my mind on that by any means.

Franklin

No worries. I think you know that I look up to you quite a lot. You are a good debating partner even with that last paragraph! This probably should be in a PM, but please let me know (in a PM) how you are doing up in Harvard!

Duncs

Its been great in places frustrating in others and damn expensive!

Dont be looking up to me there really is nothing to look up to and besides i might be wearing my kilt and then it would be to your eternal regret!

Maybe if i get qualified as an attorney and have the balls to start my own business you could look up to me!

Franklin

Ahhhhh, I lived in Glasgow for a few yin years. I learned not to stare at men wearing kilts. Got used to seeing one of the Student Union Presidents at Glasgow wearing his kilt.

Thanks for the compliment.

Hope you get that high paying job.

TRPardoe

Thanks to whoever gave me Karma Points with the following by-line:

Wot I lurned on Fox tod... Jul 14th 2005 8:09 pm "you're a ****ing idiot"

:scared:

paddingtongreen

Somebody, I didn't catch the name, said that George W. Bush firing Karl Rove would be like Charley McCarthy firing Edgar Bergan