Duncs

I withdraw this part of my post. This is not a fair comment to make about Franklin. He dosent deserve it. Sometimes he frustrates me but that the nature of good debating partner i reckon. Sorry mate.

I would edit my original post but i cant seem to find the edit button anymore.

Ray

You only get around 2 hours to edit ..before the button disappears ..

Duncs

Who did you get that from O'Reilly? In what sense is Wilson’s research into Niger discredited? Was the evidence Bush relied upon for his state of the union comments of the alleged purchases of yellowcake genuine? did evidence turn up discrediting Wilson?


Sorry I dont think everyone does agree on that point at all but it will be for the special investigator Mr. Fitzgerald to make that final determination when he finishes his investigation. It appears to me highly possible that he will indict Rove for both the leak and for perjury but we shall see.

My final comment was overly harsh when directed at Franklin and I have withdraw that part of it.

However the point was to recognize that yes I have a bias. I admit to my own bias. Anyone who knows me at all will know that I am member of the democrat party and can not stand the Bush administration. The point of the post was to detail with ‘facts’ the assertions about Rove which can not then be so easily dismissed due to my self confessed bias. Of course you effectively prove the point by doing exactly that and are I precisely what anyone would hope for in a fox viewer Congratulations.

Duncs

ahh that explains it. Well if a moderator is listening feel free to edit that last bit out of my comment.

I would private mail Franklin as well but he needs to clean out his box.

Duncs

i love your pic by the way!

Wintersong

Well thank you

If you give me all your leprechaun gold, you can have it

Duncs

They are always after me lucky charms!

Wintersong

Hey! Don't try to fob me off with breakfast cereal... I want the money

fatbrit

And 24 before the lawsuit arrives?

tony126

It only will take one incident and they will be on it like a pack of hounds.

tony126

After reading most of the comments on this thread I have yet to see the so called Democrat side agree to anything that their party has been guilty of. Franklin pointed some of these out but they were circumnavigated,as usual.
Personally I think Rove is on a sticky wicket but then I compare that to a President lying on oath and fail to draw a comparison. I have said on another thread most political parties I am familiar with have had their fair share of embarrassments.
Where does that leave me? Well discernment again comes to mind and thank goodness I have that choice instead of being driven by politcal dogma.

Wintersong

Why shouldn't they be circumnavigated? The discussion was about Rove and his alleged wrongdoings. Trust the so called Republican side to come out with "yes, but look what you Democrats did x number of years ago..." to try to deflect attention away from themselves

What the heck has Clinton lying under oath got to do with whether or not Bush should fire Rove and whether or not the evidence suggests that he is guilty?

tony126

For the same reasons. The Democrats would not move on that dismeanor so the Republicans are digging in. Party dogma dictates. If you think Rove is guilty and is found to be so then he should go but then you choose to ignore what the verdict on Clinton was. He should have gone and I do not give a toss as to what party he belonged to. He was the PRESIDENT for goodness sake.

scrubbedexpat099

Hang on a second, my guess is that the majority posting on this board are neither Republican or Democrat.

I do not object to Bush because he is a Republican, but because he is dumb. I thought for a while it might just be a front, wrong.

Whether Kerry would have been any better, we will never know but judging from Spanking the Donkey: Dispatches from the Dumb Season, maybe not.

fatbrit

Dunno whether I'm one of those Democrats, but I'll take you up on it anyway, Tony. All leaders have flaws, some are graver than others. Here's my take warts and all:

Clinton
+ points:
1/ Intelligent
2/ Genuinely concerned about all citizens
3/ Loved outside America
4/ Economic prosperity during his term
- points:
1/ Couldn't keep either his dick in his pants or his marriage vows and lied about it -- this hurt a few people
2/ He had a lousy record on domestic human rights legislation

Dubya
+ points:
1/ Cant think of any, I'm afraid. Happy to listen to yours. Maybe he's kind to animals or something?
- points
1/ Idiot material
2/ Genuinely concerned about biblical prophecy and his part in it.
3/ Hated outside America
4/ Economic collapse during his term
5/ Lied about the reasons for the Iraq war, a fact which has cost the lives of thousands.
6/ Five years into the term (with a totally Republican congress) and I really can't see any great legislation or wise fiscal policy. If he manages (or even attempts) something, I'll be sure to post it to the + points.

Please give me some material for my plus points so I can be fair and balanced.