working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with school children there for 5 months from next February but have read some pretty negative things about the area such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!" and "severe problems of drug abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit moral codes and the "depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc.
Frankly I'd still like to give it a go but my family and friends think I would not be able to "stand it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the climate.
What I really need is to hear from someone who has first hand experience rather than just reading about it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive would just like some help in making my decision.
Look forward to hearing from you out there.

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"dondon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of
    > Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with school children there for 5
    > months from next February but have read some pretty negative things about the area
    > such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!" and "severe problems of drug
    > abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit moral codes and the
    > "depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc.

That's why they need people to work there to help the children, right?

One of my nephew spent 6 months volunteering in India. He has been to the Philipines
and will be going to Guatamala next. The last thing he'd expect is anything positive
about the conditions. His positives come from service that he is providing.



    > Frankly I'd still like to give it a go but my family and friends think I would not
    > be able to "stand it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the climate.
    > What I really need is to hear from someone who has first hand experience rather
    > than just reading about it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive would just
    > like some help in making my decision. Look forward to hearing from you out there.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

On 7 Aug 2002 18:34:00 GMT, dondon <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of
    >Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with school children there for 5
    >months from next February but have read some pretty negative things about the area
    >such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!" and "severe problems of drug
    >abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit moral codes and the
    >"depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc. Frankly I'd still
    >like to give it a go but my family and friends think I would not be able to "stand
    >it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the climate. What I really need is
    >to hear from someone who has first hand experience rather than just reading about
    >it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive would just like some help in making my
    >decision. Look forward to hearing from you out there.

I haven't lived or worked there, so dunno if this input is useful, but here goes:

I *have* visited the Canadian Arctic numerous times,
e.g. going throughthe Northwest Passage, stopping at various native settlements;
mushing dogs on the Great Slave Lake, etc.

Visited Iqualuit, capital of the new Territory of Nunavut a few months before the
official establishment.

As you can see from my handle, I am attracted to the Polar regions, N and S. I found
the climate as quite endurable, if one has adequate housing, clothing, and an
appropriate diet. I have slept in a (good, insulated) tent at -25 C. and been quite
comfortable. Also in a not-so-good, not-insulated tent at -25 C and survived nicely,
thank you!

The snow, ice, glaciers, Northern Lights, Polar bear sightings, the marvelous cloud
formations, the tundra in summer -- these have their own peculiar beauty. Not
without reason do people get "hooked" on the North!

Taking the concerns you cite:

" but have read some pretty
    >negative things about the area such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!"
    >and "severe problems of drug abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit
    >moral codes and the "depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc."

I get a little angry at such one-sided stuff (not picking on you).

The problems of the Inuit are largely due to the whites barging in and changing what
was a sarisfactory lifestyle for about 10,000 years!

If you can get to the Nunavut-produced film "The Fast Runner", you will get an idea
of what it was like.

As to "outdoor activity: In the past, Inuit went out in any weather, using home-made
sleds and fittings, pulled by the right breed of dogs. They could stop and build a
warm igloo anywhere within an hour. They wore animal furs, excellently designed for
warmth and air circulation.

They ate fresh-killed, vitamin-loaded meat, and had almost no infectious illness
because of the cold, antiseptic climate.

Now, they are in a no-man's-land, between their ancient culture and the consumerist
white culture. The government, having destroyed their way of life, now treats them
as welfare wards of the state. They are given "white" educations, housing, clothing,
and doped up with satellite TV, with its dreadful materialist programming.

As a result, the young people you cite above don't know who they are or what life is
about; have lost touch with their culture - JUST LIKE AMERICAN INDIANS ON OUR
RESERVATIONS.
. There ARE efforts to reconnect them, and you might be a wonderful force for good in
those efforts.

They eat terrible processed food; drink awful soft drinks, and, yes -- no doubt
succumb to drink and drugs -- JUST LIKE OUR LOST TEENAGERS IN AMERICAN CITY GHETTOS.

Listen to your own heart, not to family and friends who are trying to tell you what
you can "stand".

Lots of people would kill to be offered an adventure such as yours!


--
Polar

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Polar <[email protected]> wrote:
    >dondon <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>What I really need is to hear from someone who has first hand experience rather
    >>than just reading about it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive would just
    >>like some help in making my decision. Look forward to hearing from you out there.
[snipped]
    >" but have read some pretty
    >>negative things about the area such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!"
    >>and "severe problems of drug abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit
    >>moral codes and the "depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc."
    >I get a little angry at such one-sided stuff (not picking on you).
    >The problems of the Inuit are largely due to the whites barging in and changing what
    >was a sarisfactory lifestyle for about 10,000 years!

Dondon, please *listen* to what Polar has said there. It is important.

Someone else replied that of course that is why you need to go help, and the
positives are the "service" you will provide.

But get something clear right now... the "service" you will provide will not cure
any problems, and will most likely cause more of whatever it is you see as something
you can "cure".

I'm not saying don't go. I am saying to go to be a missionary. Go to learn. Go to
let them teach you. Go for the experience and the adventure. But leave whatever
thoughts you have about a White Man's Burden behind.

As to the climate and how you'll do??? I can't say. And though I've lived above or
near the Arctic Circle virtually all of my adult life (and I have half a dozen
grandchildren), I've never lived in Canada's Arctic so I can't give you specifics.

I can tell you that weather is not really a problem. I came to Alaska from southern
Arizona in the 1960's. It takes people a couple _years_ to adapt to heat, and a
couple months to adapt to cold. One winter, and you'll think you were born there.

The problem is culture. Most likely you are in for a huge volume of culture shock.
All of it because typically Westerners have little exposure and little understanding
of the world outside their own back yard. As a result of that as much as the
climate, there is one overriding characteristic which describes people who come north
to Alaska and like it, and I'd bet the same applies to Canada's Arctic regions too.
That characteristic is adventure.

If you don't like routines, and want to drive to work by a different road every other
day, want to try new foods, can't stand a schedule, never vacation to common places
and don't go anywhere twice, hate office drugery and have both a hard time going to
bed on time or getting out of bed on time, then you'll likely *love* living in an
Inuit village! If you want your pants pressed just so, want to know this week what
is on the schedule for next week, love to go over the books three times to make sure
they add up right, enjoy doing timely routine maintenance on anything, rent the same
vacation room in Hawaii every year, and are terrorized when things don't happen when
they are supposed to, then you do *not* want to think about even getting on a plane
going north.

Heh, I'll give you an example of the difference. A couple fellows (engineers)
visited my work location a couple years ago, doing surveys on fuel our tanks. One
fellow was born and raised in Alaska. He was the younger of the two. The senior
fellow was from Colorado. The next place they need to go was Kotzebue, a few hundred
miles west and south of here. There are two ways to get from Barrow to Kozebue. The
obvious one is get on a 737 jet to Anchorage today (two hours), spend the night, and
catch tomorrow mornings 737 jet to Kotzebue (another two hour flight). The other is
spend the night in Barrow and tomorrow morning get on a twin engine Beach 99 (14
seats) and take the milk run to Kotzebue, stopping at (maybe Wainwright) Point Lay
and Point Hope on the way, and arriving in Kotzebue after maybe 4-5 hours and 450
miles of Arctic Ocean coastline.

When these two fellows started scratching their heads over which way to go, I looked
at the young fellow and said "When's the next time you'll have a chance to see Point
Lay?" His face lit up like a Christmas tree and it took him 1.34 seconds to make up
his mind! Why would _anyone_ spend a night in Anchorage and miss seeing Point Lay?
The fellow from Colorado agreed to go that way, but he never did really understand
what had passed between myself and his partner that clinched the deal in an instant.

If you don't see it, don't go!

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialas-
ka.net/~floyd> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [email protected]

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Floyd Davidson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >I'm not saying don't go. I am saying to go to be a missionary.

Typo alert! That should be "*DO NOT* go to be a missionary.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialas-
ka.net/~floyd> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [email protected]

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

The book 'Arctic Crossing' by Jonathan Waterman gives first hand experiences.

dondon wrote:

    > Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of
    > Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with school children there for 5
    > months from next February but have read some pretty negative things about the area
    > such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!" and "severe problems of drug
    > abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit moral codes and the
    > "depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc. Frankly I'd still
    > like to give it a go but my family and friends think I would not be able to "stand
    > it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the climate. What I really need
    > is to hear from someone who has first hand experience rather than just reading
    > about it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive would just like some help in
    > making my decision. Look forward to hearing from you out there.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

working in Nunavut
 

Thank you guys - Polar, Peter and Floyd Davidson - it was great for you to get back to me so soon. You are right of course that IS why they want people like me to go out there, and it's precisely because I feel I have the skills they are asking for that I want to do it. Let's face it most people don't consider my qualifications and work experience as a performer and actress as "Real" jobs - but here I have found someone who WANTS just that so I should feel valued from the start.
I am definitely NOT without a sense of adventure - I too have travelled in Guatemala, Thailand and have already worked abroad in Europe. I have also worked with People suffering from Mental illness trying to "get back" into the real world, and know my work was appreciatd - I HATE daily routine, office politics, the whole rat race thing anyway.
If I am lucky enough to get taken on I will of course do plenty of OPENMINDED research - being in UK rather than USA I dont know quite as much about the "native" issues, but like I said on my world travels so far I have only ever come back with good vibes especially about the people I've met in these places, different though our lives may be.
Don't be too hard on my family though - I am only just 24 and my parents are really supportive - they are only playing devil's advocate really - I should be glad they care enough to worry about me! They would never talk me out of it or try to stop me, and will always bail me out if ever I need it - so I feel I owe it to them to at least take their feelings into consideration. But as of right now my minds pretty set on giving it a whirl - you guys have helped me to realise that I DO have the RIGHT attitutde. Shall I keep you posted as to whether I get on? Thanks again.

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

On 7 Aug 2002 18:34:00 GMT in rec.travel.usa-canada, dondon
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of
    > Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with school children there for 5
    > months from next February but have read some pretty negative things about the area
    > such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!" and "severe problems of drug
    > abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit moral codes and the
    > "depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc. Frankly I'd still
    > like to give it a go but my family and friends think I would not be able to "stand
    > it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the climate.

As Floyd says, it's not the climate, it's the culture shock.

What do your family and friends really know about this situation? Zilch, beyond what
they read in the sensationalist slanted media, I'll bet.

If, as Floyd says, you have a sense of adventure and a high tolerance for surprise
and random events, as well as an open mind, you should seize this opportunity. As he
says, the open mind is the most important thing. If you want to succeed socially and
in your volunteer work, you'll have to shed any preconceived notions, particularly
any that you might have about Native Americans or "Eskimos", and be willing to listen
and learn.

This is a culture that haz survived physical hardship for thousands of years, and the
assault of Western culture for several hundred. The problems you have heard about
are a result of the cultural conflict, and though they will get better now that the
Inuit people have regained control of their land and have their own government, it
will take time for them to resolve many of those issues.

If you are seriously considering going, I recommend that you do some reading about
the culture, as well as take some cross-cultural training. Father Michael Oleksa, a
Russian Orthodox priest and counselor who has spent 30 years ministering in rural
Alaska and who is married to a Yup'ik woman, worked with Juneau's public TV station
to produce a series of 4 one hour videos on cross-cultural communication which I
highly recommend.

The set sells for $80, and I predict that if you buy it, you'll watch it several
times, and probably want to take it with you to Nuvavut. For info on the video
series and on ordering, see http:-
//www.ktoo.org/videos.cfm?Pgm=COMM&S=1

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

[email protected] (Dennis P. Harris) wrote:
    >If you are seriously considering going, I recommend that you do some reading about
    >the culture, as well as take some cross-cultural training. Father Michael Oleksa, a
    >Russian Orthodox priest and counselor who has spent 30 years ministering in rural
    >Alaska and who is married to a Yup'ik woman, worked with Juneau's public TV station
    >to produce a series of 4 one hour videos on cross-cultural communication which I
    >highly recommend.
    >The set sells for $80, and I predict that if you buy it, you'll watch it several
    >times, and probably want to take it with you to Nuvavut. For info on the video
    >series and on ordering, see http-
    >://www.ktoo.org/videos.cfm?Pgm=COMM&S=1

That is a really good pointer. Father Oleksa can keep the attention of an audience
in a way you just won't believe. He's one of those rare folks that I could just sit
and listen to for hours and hours, regardless of what he is talking about.

His work on cross-cultural communications is simply fabulous, and the video series is
worth many times the cost.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialas-
ka.net/~floyd> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [email protected]

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

Can you skin a seal in under 2 minutes, in the dark, with frostbitten fingers?


"dondon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of
    > Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with
school
    > children there for 5 months from next February but have read some
pretty
    > negative things about the area such as "highest teenage suicide rate
in
    > the world!" and "severe problems of drug abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to
    > strict Inuit moral codes and the "depressive"
climate
    > which prevents much outdoor activity etc. Frankly I'd still like to give it a go
    > but my family and friends think
I
    > would not be able to "stand it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the
    > climate. What I really need is to hear from someone who has first hand
experience
    > rather than just reading about it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive
    > would just like some help in making my decision. Look forward to hearing from
    > you out there.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:27:07 GMT, "Aramis" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Can you skin a seal in under 2 minutes, in the dark, with frostbitten fingers?

Hey, don't spook the guy! We're just getting him up to speed!

Dondon, babe, they have satellite TV and Fritos and all the amenties of U.S. "life".

But if you *want* to learn seal skinning, heck, it could come in handy some time.

Personally, if I were up there on your great job, I would find an Inuit family
to take me snow-camping and teach me how to build an igloo. Now THAT is a
survival skill!


    >"dondon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >> Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of
    >> Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with
    >school
    >> children there for 5 months from next February but have read some
    >pretty
    >> negative things about the area such as "highest teenage suicide rate
    >in
    >> the world!" and "severe problems of drug abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to
    >> strict Inuit moral codes and the "depressive"
    >climate
    >> which prevents much outdoor activity etc. Frankly I'd still like to give it a go
    >> but my family and friends think
    >I
    >> would not be able to "stand it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the
    >> climate. What I really need is to hear from someone who has first hand
    >experience
    >> rather than just reading about it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive
    >> would just like some help in making my decision. Look forward to hearing from
    >> you out there.
    >> --
    >> Posted via http://britishexpats.com

--
Polar

I didn't mean to start any online arguments guys! But just one thing which I hope does not make any difference to you all - I am NOT a guy - I am a 24 year old female!
I have already telephoned through from UK to Canada (Head "office" is in Toronto) re my volunteering but can't go until after Christmas (I am an actress and have a tour committment until then) and they seem quite keen to hear from me - although apparently they can't "promise" that they will have a vacancy for me but are keeping me on their books - hope it does come off now as I'm already getting myself worked up to it!

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

On 11 Aug 2002 15:55:07 GMT, dondon <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I didn't mean to start any online arguments guys! But just one thing which I hope
    >does not make any difference to you all - I am NOT a guy - I am a 24 year old
    >female! I have already telephoned through from UK to Canada (Head "office" is in
    >Toronto) re my volunteering but can't go until after Christmas (I am an actress and
    >have a tour committment until then) and they seem quite keen to hear from me -
    >although apparently they can't "promise" that they will have a vacancy for me but
    >are keeping me on their books - hope it does come off now as I'm already getting
    >myself worked up to it!

Keep good notes! You may get a travel article or even a book out of the experience.
You'll certainly get material which will help you grow as an actress.

As to possible vacancy, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Couldn't hurt to make
an occasional phone call or send an email suggesting that you are very eager to
take the job.


--
Polar

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At a guess I would say you are far too negative for Northern Canada. Don't go there.

For everyone else - it is a beautiful place with the most incredible people. But
Southern Whites without the real stuff should just stay away.


dondon <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > Anyone out there have experience of working/living in the Nunavut territory of
    > Canada? Have opportunity to do volunteer work with school children there for 5
    > months from next February but have read some pretty negative things about the area
    > such as "highest teenage suicide rate in the world!" and "severe problems of drug
    > abuse, alcolholism and depression" due to strict Inuit moral codes and the
    > "depressive" climate which prevents much outdoor activity etc. Frankly I'd still
    > like to give it a go but my family and friends think I would not be able to "stand
    > it" from Feb. to June, and just could not survive the climate. What I really need
    > is to hear from someone who has first hand experience rather than just reading
    > about it. Don't mind if it's negative or positive would just like some help in
    > making my decision. Look forward to hearing from you out there.

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

Floyd Davidson <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > Floyd Davidson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >I'm not saying don't go. I am saying to go to be a missionary.
    > Typo alert! That should be "*DO NOT* go to be a missionary.

Thank you for that clarification. The missionaries have friggin near done in the
Arctic peoples.

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

    >>>>>>>I have already telephoned through from UK to Canada (Head
"office" is in Toronto) re my volunteering

What "head office"? If you are a christian fundamentalist stay the hell out of there.

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

On 12 Aug 2002 15:44:28 -0700, [email protected] (BraveNewWhirl) wrote:

    >>>>>>>>I have already telephoned through from UK to Canada (Head
    >"office" is in Toronto) re my volunteering
    >What "head office"? If you are a christian fundamentalist stay the hell out
    >of there.

Very nice manners.


--
Polar

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On 12 Aug 2002 15:44:28 -0700 in rec.travel.usa-canada,
[email protected] (BraveNewWhirl) wrote:

    > What "head office"? If you are a christian fundamentalist stay the hell out
    > of there.

if you read the whole damn thread and got your head out of your butt, you would know
that's not the case.

another troll for the killfile (sigh...)

Re: Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

Once again guys - I did not mean to start any fights - I genuinely wanted opinions of folk who had first had experience of the Arctic that I could not get from reading etc.
This was never meant to be a discussion about ME and MY personality - after all none of you know me any more than I know you! But many thanks to Polar and Dennis for your responses to newcomer Bravenewwhirl - like you said "nice manners" so far this conversation has had nothing to do with "religion" or others' beliefs. As far as I'm concerned that doesn't come into it other than for me to learn as much as I can about the cultural background of the Inuit folk I am volunteering to "help". It seems like some people out there want me to believe that "help" is the wrong word - you are making it sound like I am the "enemy" rather than a willing young "volunteer".
If anyone is actually interested or has any FACTS the people I am in contact with in Toronto are listed as FRONTIER FOUNDATION INC. - a "non-demoninational" help group set up to help "disadvantaged people of Canada" through building and education programs.
I have to wonder whether Bravenewwhirl has ever been any further north than I have myself!!

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

    > If anyone is actually interested or has any FACTS the people I am in contact with
    > in Toronto are listed as FRONTIER FOUNDATION INC. - a "non-demoninational" help
    > group set up to help "disadvantaged people of Canada" through building and
    > education programs. I have to wonder whether Bravenewwhirl has ever been any
    > further north than I have myself!!


"Disadvantaged" eh. That tells me everything I want to know. The only disadvantage
the Inuit have is haviong to put up with well intentioned if mis guided southerners
who want to "better their life."

Do you have a letter from either Ikaluit or Nunavut welcoming you? Have you asked?
What chuch is behind this thinly disguised missionary effort?

I have lived and worked in the Arctic and seen what your kind have done. Stay out of
there unless you are being invited in.

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

    > If anyone is actually interested or has any FACTS the people I am in contact with
    > in Toronto are listed as FRONTIER FOUNDATION INC. - a "non-demoninational" help
    > group set up to help "disadvantaged people of Canada" through building and
    > education programs. I have to wonder whether Bravenewwhirl has ever been any
    > further north than I have myself!!


Absolutely ZERO hits on YAHOOO and Alta Vista Canada for this allegedly innocuous
organization. Maybe you should check out who you are working with.

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On 13 Aug 2002 15:05:00 GMT, dondon <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Once again guys - I did not mean to start any fights - I genuinely wanted opinions
    >of folk who had first had experience of the Arctic that I could not get from reading
    >etc. This was never meant to be a discussion about ME and MY personality - after all
    >none of you know me any more than I know you! But many thanks to Polar and Dennis
    >for your responses to newcomer Bravenewwhirl - like you said "nice manners" so far
    >this conversation has had nothing to do with "religion" or others' beliefs. As far
    >as I'm concerned that doesn't come into it other than for me to learn as much as I
    >can about the cultural background of the Inuit folk I am volunteering to "help".
    >It seems like some people out there want me to believe that "help" is the wrong word
    >- you are making it sound like I am the "enemy" rather than a willing young
    >"volunteer". If anyone is actually interested or has any FACTS the people I am in
    >contact with in Toronto are listed as FRONTIER FOUNDATION INC. - a
    >"non-demoninational" help group set up to help "disadvantaged people of Canada"
    >through building and education programs. I have to wonder whether Bravenewwhirl has
    >ever been any further north than I have myself!!

Relax, Dondon; don't pay any attention to the "anti-missionary" diatribes.

The poster probably didn't bother to go back in the thread to find the where the term
came in; he just blasted off on his own "mission".

No doubt there *have* been "southerners" who tried to impose their values/ideas on
the natives, but that doesn't mean you can be arrested, tried, and convicted on those
charges by someone who doesn't know you, doesn't know your organization, doesn't, in
fact, know *anything*.

I hope this doesn't deter you from pressing ahead on what sounds like the opportunity
of a lifetime.

Remember Polar's advice: The squeaky wheel gets the grease! Keep after 'em, nicely
but persistently.



--
Polar

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"BraveNewWhirl" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
google.com...
    > > If anyone is actually interested or has any FACTS the people I am in contact with
    > > in Toronto are listed as FRONTIER FOUNDATION INC. - a "non-demoninational" help
    > > group set up to help "disadvantaged people of Canada" through building and
    > > education programs. I have to wonder whether Bravenewwhirl has ever been any
    > > further north than I have myself!!
    > Absolutely ZERO hits on YAHOOO and Alta Vista Canada for this allegedly innocuous
    > organization. Maybe you should check out who you are working with.

Google search, Page 1, #10

http://www.fron-
tiersfoundation.org/About_Us/organization.html

Foundation has been in existence for 24 years. 8 of the 10 on their board of
directors are from First Nation communities.

Gabby

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"Gabby" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >"BraveNewWhirl" <[email protected]> wrote
    >> > If anyone is actually interested or has any FACTS the people I am in contact
    >> > with in Toronto are listed as FRONTIER FOUNDATION INC. - a "non-demoninational"
    >> > help group set up to help "disadvantaged people of Canada" through building and
    >> > education programs. I have to wonder whether Bravenewwhirl has ever been any
    >> > further north than I have myself!!
    >> Absolutely ZERO hits on YAHOOO and Alta Vista Canada for this allegedly innocuous
    >> organization. Maybe you should check out who you are working with.
    >Google search, Page 1, #10
    >http://www.fro-
    >ntiersfoundation.org/About_Us/organization.html
    >Foundation has been in existence for 24 years. 8 of the 10 on their board of
    >directors are from First Nation communities.
    >Gabby

Well, I'm not the only one who makes typos! That should be *34* years!

I did a google search too. I read their web page, and I was impressed. Instead of a
bunch of preachers, the Board of Directors has a bunch of attorneys! And it appears
most or all of those attorneys are Native. I'm impressed.

I'm also somewhat impressed with this young lady, the OP, dondon. She sounds bright,
full of adventure, and willing to learn. What else is there???

Since I was one of those who first mentioned missionaries in negative terms, and I'm
*very* serious about not going there to be a missionary, I don't mind saying that
_nothing_ I've read about this Frontier Foundation or the OP is causing me any
misgivings about suggesting that at the least it would be a wonderful learning
experience. Who knows what else it might lead to! I came north looking for
adventure too, in what was going to be a one year stint at a job with a fat paycheck.
I retired from that job 34 years later. Who the heck would I be to suggest to an
adventurous young person that staying home is better? Sometimes it's just a good
idea to re-home..

Go for it, lady!

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialas-
ka.net/~floyd> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [email protected]

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Thanks Gaby, Polar & Floyd - I know Frontier IS on the net - that's where I found it! Perhaps Bravenewwhirl is not as WWW wise as the rest of us eh?
Your replies were very reassuring and encouraging - my application is at this moment in the skies on its way to Canada - and having read all of this even my mom is coming round to the idea of this being a good life-learning experience for me!

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

    > >
    > > Absolutely ZERO hits on YAHOOO and Alta Vista Canada for this allegedly innocuous
    > > organization. Maybe you should check out who you are working with.
    > Google search, Page 1, #10
    > http://www.fr-
    > ontiersfoundation.org/About_Us/organization.html
    > Foundation has been in existence for 24 years. 8 of the 10 on their board of
    > directors are from First Nation communities.
    > Gabby

I checked it out. It's a christian front.

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    > Relax, Dondon; don't pay any attention to the "anti-missionary" diatribes.
    > The poster probably didn't bother to go back in the thread to find the where the
    > term came in; he just blasted off on his own "mission".

At least my mission will not corrupt aboriginals. The christians have a lot to atone
for - and here is another one going into an aboriginal community with the likes of
you backing him/her. Do you not know what was done to these people in christian
residential schools? Shame!

I asked if that person had a letter of invitation or welcome from the North - and
that question was not answered. She/he is going up there because the locals are
"disadvantaged" in the view of some Toronto lawyers. Disgusting.

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

dondon <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > Thanks Gaby, Polar & Floyd - I know Frontier IS on the net - that's where I found
    > it! Perhaps Bravenewwhirl is not as WWW wise as the rest of us eh?

Perhaps some of you are just a little ignorant too. The name is frontiersfoundation -
on the Internet. Don't be so g.d. insulting.

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[email protected] (BraveNewWhirl) wrote:
    >> Relax, Dondon; don't pay any attention to the "anti-missionary" diatribes.
    >> The poster probably didn't bother to go back in the thread to find the where the
    >> term came in; he just blasted off on his own "mission".
    >At least my mission will not corrupt aboriginals. The christians have a lot to atone
    >for - and here is another one going into an aboriginal community with the likes of
    >you backing him/her. Do you not know what was done to these people in christian
    >residential schools? Shame!

I probably know more about it than you'll ever be able to imagine. That, however, is
neither here nor there. It hasn't got a thing to do with this situation.

    >I asked if that person had a letter of invitation or welcome from the North - and
    >that question was not answered. She/he is going up there

No doubt *you* don't have any such letter, and never did. So perhaps it would be
best if you followed your own advice and butted out.

Regardless it does appear that a job offer from Frontier Foundation would in effect
be precisely the letter you demand that she have.

    >because the locals are "disadvantaged" in the view of some Toronto lawyers.
    >Disgusting.

That didn't exactly look like a list of "Toronto lawyers" to me. I happen to think
that Native lawyers are where the future of Native people is at. I'm well acquainted
with a number of Alaska Natives who have law degrees, including the first two Yupik
Eskimo's to graduate from law schools. Having three or four of them on the board,
plus a number of other Native leaders, not to mention a goals statement which has the
right emphasis, is very convincing, which you are not.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialas-
ka.net/~floyd> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [email protected]

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    > That didn't exactly look like a list of "Toronto lawyers" to me. I happen to think
    > that Native lawyers are where the future of Native people is at. I'm well
    > acquainted with a number of Alaska Natives who have law degrees, including the
    > first two Yupik Eskimo's to graduate from law schools. Having three or four of
    > them on the board, plus a number of other Native leaders, not to mention a goals
    > statement which has the right emphasis, is very convincing, which you are not.

For a yank who is familiar only with yankee situations you certainly like to push
your weight around. But hey...you guys are really good at that anyway. Now you butt
out - this is not your issue.

Re: working in Nunavut (Arctic Canada)
 

[email protected] (BraveNewWhirl) wrote:
    >> That didn't exactly look like a list of "Toronto lawyers" to me. I happen to think
    >> that Native lawyers are where the future of Native people is at. I'm well
    >> acquainted with a number of Alaska Natives who have law degrees, including the
    >> first two Yupik Eskimo's to graduate from law schools. Having three or four of
    >> them on the board, plus a number of other Native leaders, not to mention a goals
    >> statement which has the right emphasis, is very convincing, which you are not.
    >For a yank who is familiar only with yankee situations you certainly like to push
    >your weight around. But hey...you guys are really good at that anyway. Now you butt
    >out - this is not your issue.

For a transient visitor to both the Arctic and to Inuit culture, you are being
exceedingly pretentious. Why don't you just stay where you are, and let the young
lady find her own place in the world. Those of use who live here permanently will
decide who and what is acceptable and what is not.

She may end up being nothing more than the same kind of carpetbagger that you are,
but that is none of your business.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialas-
ka.net/~floyd> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [email protected]