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Pulaski May 3rd 2013 9:20 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10690915)
....either him, me or our daughter.

Nothing for your friends on BE? :huh:

redglade May 3rd 2013 10:03 am

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I recently listened to a presentation about making wills, and something came up which made me think:
You may have made arrangements with family members as who should care for your children in the unlikely event that they are orphaned - but to avoid legal delays and perhaps even a spell in state care, this should be written into your will. Also if you have designated a family member who lives some distance away, one should also designate (formally) a friend or neighbour who will care for your children in the short term. This also applies if you are temporarily out of commission due to accident or illness.

md95065 May 3rd 2013 11:16 am

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Originally Posted by redglade (Post 10691063)
You may have made arrangements with family members as who should care for your children in the unlikely event that they are orphaned - but to avoid legal delays and perhaps even a spell in state care, this should be written into your will.

While you should most definitely make your wishes known it is also important to understand that your children are not "property" and that having something "written into your will" is nether necessary or sufficient to ensure that your wishes with regard to the custody of your minor children will be taken into account in the event of your death or temporary incapacity.

JAJ May 3rd 2013 2:12 pm

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Originally Posted by pooks (Post 10690604)
So, I’ve been in the US around 10 years now and am finally thinking I should make a will here (I just have one that I made in the UK at the moment). I’m a LPR with moveable assets in both countries.

Note that you can't think about "countries" in this respect. Scotland and Northern Ireland are different jurisdictions to England & Wales. Similarly, every U.S. state is a different jurisdiction.

That said, assuming your U.K. will is an English one, it could probably be accepted in most U.S. states on an out of jurisdiction basis. Same goes, if you make a North Carolina will, it should normally be acceptable elsewhere. But if it's important, you need to get advice from an attorney in the jurisdiction where you would present the "non-local" will.



I’ve read various articles and threads here about having two wills and it seems there are a lot of different opinions on the matter – I would have thought if they were identical it wouldn’t be a problem, but who knows? My UK solicitor doesn’t seem to and has suggested I contact a US attorney as it is all related to your current domicile.
U.K. Inheritance Tax is levied on worldwide estate if you are domiciled (under British law) in the United Kingdom. You can shed a British domicile, but you need to show that you have permanently left the United Kingdom, to settle permanently in another jurisdiction, with no intention to ever return.

For this reason, it's a very good idea to replace your U.K. will with a U.S. will, if you intend to remain permanently in the United States. It would also be a good idea to become a U.S. citizen. You may also wish to consider whether you should divest of U.K. assets (which removes the need for any U.K. probate purposes) and consider whether you should renew your British passport after you become a U.S. citizen.


I think this sounds like a lot of money (especially if I move states I might have to do it all again?) – so I was wondering what other people had done and how much it had cost them?
If you're in NC, and make a North Carolina will, then most other states should accept this. However, if you settle in another state, you should normally replace your will with a local one, in due course.

md95065 May 3rd 2013 3:33 pm

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Originally Posted by JAJ (Post 10691247)
Note that you can't think about "countries" in this respect. Scotland and Northern Ireland are different jurisdictions to England & Wales.

... in those particular cases they are, in fact, different countries not just "different jurisdictions" ... :sneaky:

Pulaski May 3rd 2013 11:21 pm

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Originally Posted by md95065 (Post 10691284)
... in those particular cases they are, in fact, different countries not just "different jurisdictions" ... :sneaky:

They issue no passports, nor visas, they have no armed forces, they have no embassies (or their own, nor receive any from overseas) nor a UN presence, they have no central bank, and issue no currency, their regional governments have limited authority delegated from London. On what objective basis could anyone think they are countries? :confused:

Pulaski May 3rd 2013 11:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10691614)
They issue no passports, nor visas, they have no armed forces, they have no embassies (or their own, nor receive any from overseas) nor a UN presence, they have no central bank, and issue no currency, their regional governments have limited authority delegated from London. On what objective basis could anyone think they are countries? :confused:

In fact looking at the powers they do and don't have, they most closely resemble US states. :lol:

md95065 May 4th 2013 2:59 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10691614)
On what objective basis could anyone think they are countries? :confused:

Firstly I am not sure that everything that people "think" necessarily has to have an "objective basis" but, in the case of Scotland, at least, I can assure you that a very large number of people do think of it as being a "country" - including, but not limited to, most of the people that live there.

The basis of this is quite simply that Scotland never ceased to be a "country" even after the Act of Union of 1707 but simply became a part of what ultimately evolved in to the United Kingdom - and of course, to this day, it still has its own legal system, which was the original point at issue here.

JAJ May 4th 2013 6:16 am

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Originally Posted by md95065 (Post 10691821)
Firstly I am not sure that everything that people "think" necessarily has to have an "objective basis" but, in the case of Scotland, at least, I can assure you that a very large number of people do think of it as being a "country" - including, but not limited to, most of the people that live there.

The basis of this is quite simply that Scotland never ceased to be a "country" even after the Act of Union of 1707 but simply became a part of what ultimately evolved in to the United Kingdom - and of course, to this day, it still has its own legal system, which was the original point at issue here.

The distinct Scottish legal system is understood, as is Scotland's pre-1707 status, nevertheless, Scotland is not a country in the context of a sovereign state.

Gordon Barlow May 4th 2013 6:49 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 10690890)
I'm in two minds, because while I know people do it, it may open up unintended ambiguities, as a will is, to give it its full title, your "last will and testament", and usually includes wording that this will replaces all prior wills. So you could inadvertently void your British will by writing a subsequent US will, or vice versa. Also you can't have two different documents that are both "the last ... ".
If the beneficiaries under both wills are mostly the same, with the same remainder man, then the risk might be small, but the remainder man (person who gets "everything else") under the later dated will could try to challenge the earlier will in the other country, arguing that what is listed in it is part of the "everything else".

I too have never been able to get a clear opinion about this "two Wills" question. Here in my Offshore tax-haven, when I was in the business, many clients made separate Cayman Islands Wills to dispose of their Cayman Islands assets, including Cayman Islands trusts. As long as those Wills specifically limited their application to those assets, there would be no problem having the Wills probated here - especially in the absence of local death duties, of course.

As a matter of strict policy, my firm never gave advice on the legal position of Wills in the clients' home countries - except to recommend that they have "home" Wills, drawn up by "home" solicitors. I never heard of a case where the tax officials in the home countries tried to tax the assets in Cayman; perhaps they just never found out about them. But it stands to reason (as Pulaski points out) that without careful wording, any later Will must always be "the last Will" and would supersede any earlier one if it so specifies.

Incidentally, a point to note for married couples: if both die in the same accident, the law usually presumes that the older of the two dies first. So if they both have Wills, and each leaves everything to the other and names the other as the sole executor, then it might well be left to a court of law to appoint an administrator.

Ray May 5th 2013 4:13 pm

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Yeehaa May 6th 2013 8:54 am

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Thanks for sharing, Ray

pooks May 7th 2013 3:40 am

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Thanks everyone for your replies - plenty to think about!


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