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What's your LEAST favorite thing about the US?

Old Jun 13th 2012, 7:31 pm
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Originally Posted by dlake02 View Post
Hmm - those are the ones WITHOUT a spine or courage of their convictions, aren't they ?
They're the ones.
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Old Jun 13th 2012, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by ian-mstm View Post
One of the ways I measure my success is that the guy on the next street lives in abject poverty! I'm doing great by comparison... and I don't much care how he lives.

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Why does it have to be abject poverty in order to make you feel good? Couldn't you just have a better house/car? Really don't get this mindset at all.
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Old Jun 13th 2012, 8:46 pm
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Originally Posted by dlake02 View Post
And then look at the attitudes to free trade - protectionist policies that keep non-US cars, trains, planes, white-goods out of the US, failed businesses such as United Airlines, GM, allowed to survive through archaic bankruptcy laws, but US-ownership of foreign companies is seen as a right that must be exercised. One rule for us, one rule for them. If Branson or Stelios or Ryan Air were allowed in to the US at 100% ownership, can you imagine the effect on the airlines !!!! You'd see rapid drop in prices, far fewer people standing around doing sweet nothing and a much better services. I suspect they'd even give SouthWest a run for it's money. But, no - that would be un-American. So, meantime, there is gross over-employment with people doing meaningless jobs and that costs everyone.
Amusingly enough, with so much protection, that a good chunk of the US ports are actually owned by the Middle East
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Old Jun 13th 2012, 8:50 pm
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Default Re: What's your LEAST favorite thing about the US?

Originally Posted by ian-mstm View Post
Bzzzt... wrong! The primary role of the state is to protect it's people from within (police, fire, etc) and from without (army, etc).

If you truly believe what you wrote, then you're nothing more than a communist.

One of the ways I measure my success is that the guy on the next street lives in abject poverty! I'm doing great by comparison... and I don't much care how he lives.

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That, just summaries this whole thread really doesn't it.

Not much to be said about the different outlooks to life, government and society.
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Default Re: What's your LEAST favorite thing about the US?

That, just summaries this whole thread really doesn't it.
Yes - and that's what I find SO sad. The view of "Americans" universally is not good, and I for one am prepared to think that there could be some that actually DO have a brain, ARE concerned and realise that their country comes in for some very bad press.

But, the ian-mstm folk shout SO loud that the effect is to polarise the entire conversation into the us-vs-them.

It is about high-time that the silent moderate majority in this country flexed their muscles.
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Old Jun 14th 2012, 2:02 am
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Nope - disagree. There are PLENTY of states that exist without a military, or with less militaristic civil defence. The police exist to enforce the laws set by the government - the goals of the government are set by the people. "Protecting from within" has a nasty Kafka-esque ring to it, quite frankly.

I think the French mantra "Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite" sums it up nicely - the state exists to PROTECT those three things, but there is a balance between all three. You cannot have unbridled liberty if it breeds inequality because we are all "brothers." Likewise, over-bearing kinship cannot lead to denial of equality or someone else's liberties.

That seems to be very much the model that most European states have adhered to post WW2.

As for being a communist, I do not believe in the ownership of all goods and services by the state as a communist would. Neither do I believe in a totalitarian state as a communist would.

But I do believe that there are some things that are above simple market economics such as education and healthcare, and that as a society we need to work together to provide those and talk of money in those areas is demeaning. That probably makes me a socialist in the true European socialist model.



Well, I hope that you've never set foot in a church/temple then, because your minister/pastor/rabbi would have strong things to say about that attitude. Or at least should unless they are a total hypocrite......
You need to take your commie-loving nanny-state back to Europe with the rest of the poofs. Socialists are just commies without the backbone.

We don't want our hard-earned money being taxed and wasted by government giving it away to no-goods and ne'er-do-wells who are too lazy and feckless to pay for their own healthcare.

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You need to take your commie-loving nanny-state back to Europe with the rest of the poofs. Socialists are just commies without the backbone.

We don't want our hard-earned money being taxed *

* apart from paying for military, police and fire service. They're proper manly like.
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You need to take your commie-loving nanny-state back to Europe with the rest of the poofs. Socialists are just commies without the backbone.

We don't want our hard-earned money being taxed and wasted by government giving it away to no-goods and ne'er-do-wells who are too lazy and feckless to pay for their own healthcare.

The apostrophe is in the right place in ne'er-do-well, so I know you are a terrorist masquerading as a right thinking manly-man.
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* apart from paying for military, police and fire service. They're proper manly like.
That's not socialism, its patriotism.
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The apostrophe is in the right place in ne'er-do-well, so I know you are a terrorist masquerading as a right thinking manly-man.
Damn my grammar!
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Damn my grammar!
... why? What has she done now...?

Sorry - couldn't resist!
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Old Jun 14th 2012, 7:23 am
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The not so great American invention of suburgatory. Moving to a cookie-cutter community from a chavtopia as someone transitioning from childhood, I can honestly say I was better off not living in a cheaply made, highly priced, stucco-clad, charmless crap hole.

The whole safety thing is a farce, too, if it just made me want to lock myself indoors for a few years until I left for college. But yeah, I really dislike suburban developments.


Oh, the Religious Right, too. Whilst it is sometimes fun to laugh at the expense of birthers, tea baggers, and creationists that believe in a 6000 year old Earth where Adam & Eve would play fetch with their pet triceratops, they do actually make me worry about the power they have in this otherwise decent country, and ipso facto, the planet. Not to mention potentially my quality of life with their absurd demands that are backed with a degree of popularity.

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Old Jun 14th 2012, 7:32 am
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Default Re: What's your LEAST favorite thing about the US?

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The not so great American invention of suburgatory. Moving to a cookie-cutter community from a chavtopia as someone transitioning from childhood, I can honestly say I was better off not living in a cheaply made, highly priced, stucco-clad, charmless crap hole.

The whole safety thing is a farce, too, if it just made me want to lock myself indoors for a few years until I left for college. But yeah, I really dislike suburban developments.
Were those subdivisions in Oakland and Modesto? Could explain it. I grew up in a couple middle class suburbs in Southern California, Every 3rd house had a pool, dead end streets, large driveways with hoops in most. Good active teen years without being surrounded by trouble, lots of fun. Not everyone's experience i suppose.
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Were those subdivisions in Oakland and Modesto? Could explain it. I grew up in a couple middle class suburbs in Southern California, Every 3rd house had a pool, dead end streets, large driveways with hoops in most. Good active teen years without being surrounded by trouble, lots of fun. Not everyone's experience i suppose.
Oh Modesto. The parts of Oakland I've lived in and been to are all kinds of awesome.
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Oh Modesto. The parts of Oakland I've lived in and been to are all kinds of awesome.
Neighborhood's change, the couple I've mentioned from 35 years ago I wouldn't want to raise a kid in now. And yes from what I've seen and heard about Oakland, most areas are nearly unlivable.
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