Bob

Aye, like I said, everyone starts with shite money, but it's not like you can't make good money from it in the UK.

Tracym

I didn't say you couldn't.

My impression (apparently incorrect) was that he was just starting out. As I understand it takes a long long time (over 10 years) to become a consultant in the UK. Therefore, for someone just starting out - they'd probably make up the salary difference here.

Everyone is always carrying on that doctors make too much here, and friends of Keiths (UK docs) have said they could make more over here - so it appears that some doctors at least make more money over here.

However, I apparently totally misunderstood the OPs situation, so what I said isn't really relevant anyway.

Sally Redux

It doesn't necessarily take a long time to become a consultant in the UK.

Tracym

You sure?

Keith was telling me (I think), and he has a lot of doctor friends - that to be a FULL consultant was a ten year project.

What I understand is doctors work with the consultants, and sorta act as one, without being a full consultant.

ok - putting off chores - off to google...

Edit - well the answer is probably in here, but I'm too confused to sort it out. Does sound like a lot of years though..

http://www.rcog.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=627

OK - looking around elsewhere - after full training as a medical doctor, apparently it takes at least another 5 years to become a consultant. So I think that would add up to at least ten years - right?

Sally Redux

Hmm I know a few who were quite young - I'd have to check it out though.

Tracym

Ooops I stuck something back in the post above, and you were posting at the same time.

Maybe you saw ones with good skin care

From what I can decipher, looks like at least five years on top of being a fully qualified doctor - however many years that takes.

Sally Redux

Oh yes - I thought you meant 10 years from qualifying. I reckon it would take 5 years. You would be about 30.

pejpm1

any evidence to back that up or do you just spout everything you read in the daily mail?

dunroving

Blue sky
Wide open spaces
Politeness
Trucks
Inexpensive houses
Inexpensive cost of living
Monday Night Football
Saturday Night Live
Single-level houses
Sizeable yards
The notion that hard work should be rewarded (aka the American Dream)
- that's just for starters

But everyone's situation is different, and all the above may be outweighed by the cost of health care (if you have no/poor insurance), distance from relatives, any number of cultural differences that are important enough to drive people back home.

Xebedee

Just to p!ss in your Wheaties:

Wide open spaces - You are either working at Wallyworld, driving thru in a winnebago, or on welfare.
Politeness - Rarely North of the Mason-Dixon.
Trucks - As in Ryder/Uhaul, F10 or that ba$tard who won't get out of the fast lane?
Inexpensive houses - Just don't lean on the walls or it'll fall over. Carefull where you hang that picture - its a load-bearing wall.
Inexpensive cost of living - Omitting all the stealth taxes, surcharges, fees, underwriting costs, tolls and hidden charges. Maybe.
Monday Night Football - Cheerleaders' legs.
Saturday Night Live - Is that still on????
Single-level houses - Because we are so unfit that stairs wind us and they require hoovering? Honestly, I am trying to see the advantage here.
Sizeable yards - With no privacy. Essentially one big enormous fu(k-off front yard which stretches from the nearest cross street to the other end of the road.
The notion that hard work should be rewarded (aka the American Dream)
- that's just for starters - Stop doing that stuff. They won't let you back in with a drug conviction.

Have a nice dayeeee.

Ozzidoc

In the UK it will take me 9 years after qualifying.

2 years foundation training.

7 years O&G specialist training.

Some specialist training programs are shorter. The minimum time you could usually do it in is 7 years after med school. In the UK.

In the US, it's 4 years - some programs are 3 years!

Tracym

Thanks - so I wasn't nuts in the first place, it is almost 10 years after qualifiying.

Sally's young specialist must just have really really good skin care regimes

So - will you be doing your training here then? Or in the UK...

Ozzidoc

oooo decisions, decisions!

I really dont know, so am working towards both plans. I'll definitely do one year in the UK, and then take stock of where I am and blokey's work etc.

I need to sit the american exams! Lots of study required, as I'm sure you are aware !!

TruBrit

what made you ping pong back to the uk and give all this up then?

Ozzidoc

USA starting out = $40K for 70 hrs a week work

UK starting out = £22K (plus some shift allowances, so closer to 28K) for 48 hr week.


USA 1st year after completing 4yr residency = $150K plus....even $ 250K. First year out!

UK - year 5 of training - about £40K

UK consultant pay after 7 yrs specialist training (equiv to 4 yrs in US). £70K