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A way to permanent residence in USA for people who are told there are no way.

Old Sep 17th 2020, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa View Post
Normally the employer pays all visa related costs though. Presumably if you had to pay for those fees you didn’t get any kind of relocation package or similar either?
.... for a janitor job ? I should not think so.......
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Originally Posted by Noorah101 View Post
So just to be clear, you received immigrant visas? And then became US PRs upon entry to the USA? And that all happened within 5 months?

How did your wife find out about the janitorial job, and how did she apply for it?

Where are you from originally?

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Yes we went to our consulate in Paris and were approved for an immigrant visa category eb3 unskilled, then we got our GC few weeks after our entry in the US. It took 19 months.
You have to pay a fee to the placement agency / immigration consultant firm. The companies who sponsor you never receive money which is stricly againt the laws

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Originally Posted by SanDiegogirl View Post
.... for a janitor job ? I should not think so.......
You have a permanent residency, thats enough for alot of people.
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Old Sep 17th 2020, 10:34 pm
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You have a permanent residency, thats enough for alot of people.

I guess the trick here is basically they pick jobs that are generally done by undocumented immigrants, that way when they advertise no US workers are found for job, and I assume this only works for ROW, not Mexico, India, China etc with backlogs.

Can you post the costs involved ? Would be interesting to see, could be a better route for a someone coming to setup a subsistence E visa business to essentially work for nothing for 6 months plus pay the fees vs a subsistence business with no GC at the end... and once they have it they can still setup that subsistence business in Florida to live out their Disney 365 dream....

and to be honest I have seen people go through more convoluted lengths than this to move to a new country...

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Old Sep 18th 2020, 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa View Post
God how awful. Imagine being so desperate to get to the US that you’ll put up with that.
That or a marriage visa, tough choice
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Old Sep 18th 2020, 4:12 am
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Originally Posted by SYCU View Post
Yes we went to our consulate in Paris and were approved for an immigrant visa category eb3 unskilled, then we got our GC few weeks after our entry in the US. It took 19 months.
You have to pay a fee to the placement agency / immigration consultant firm. The companies who sponsor you never receive money which is stricly againt the laws
TBH, this sounds like a massive loophole. Without your payment, the PERM process never begins, regardless of who gets the money you paid. I suspect a lawyer could argue that either way.
Anyways, well done for making it work.
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If this came to light in the media there would probably be an EO suspending the program within 2 weeks.
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Old Sep 18th 2020, 3:31 pm
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If this came to light in the media there would probably be an EO suspending the program within 2 weeks.
Propublica knows about it, so sure other media outlets do....
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That or a marriage visa, tough choice
ROFL

This is nothing new,well the that bit, very common in the nursing side and usually there is a tie in for certain a period where you have to work for not optimum wages/location and they you are off.

EB3 RoW was backlogged big time years ago, seem to remember seeing 6 years so not so attractive. I am sure the 'fee' issue is circumvented. So it is limited to those with a bit of cash to buy their way in and is much cheaper than many other options.
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Propublica knows about it, so sure other media outlets do....
I don't read it, what's its political leaning?
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Old Sep 18th 2020, 5:09 pm
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Similar to the post a few months ago about a new graduate who had been in the US on an F-1 who took a job as a "consultant" with a consultancy/ employer that paid his visa fees, but placed him to work for a client. The client paid the consultancy a reasonable hourly rate for his services, but the consultancy firm paid the new graduate/ employee a pittance to claw back the visa fees, and presumably a generous profit. As the employee didn't "pay" the visa fees, the end-employer did through the hourly billing, the law was technically not broken, even though the employee was paid far below market for his services.
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You have a permanent residency, thats enough for alot of people.
It's surprising what someone would do to put themselves in a situation where they are "surcharged" $00's/mth for heath insurance that other countries hide in their progressive taxation rates, and if they fall ill or are injured, they are at permanent risk of being billed for non-covered medical expenses (deductibles) that could bankrupt them. I am not sure on what level you are considering what you have achieved to be a "success:

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Old Sep 18th 2020, 6:27 pm
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Similar to the post a few months ago about a new graduate who had been in the US on an F-1 who took a job as a "consultant" with a consultancy/ employer that paid his visa fees, but placed him to work for a client. The client paid the consultancy a reasonable hourly rate for his services, but the consultancy firm paid the new graduate/ employee a pittance to claw back the visa fees, and presumably a generous profit. As the employee didn't "pay" the visa fees, the end-employer did through the hourly billing, the law was technically not broken, even though the employee was paid far below market for his services.

It's surprising what someone would do to put themselves in a situation where they are "surcharged" $00's/mth for heath insurance that other countries hide in their progressive taxation rates, and if they fall ill or are injured, they are at permanent risk of being billed for non-covered medical expenses (deductibles) that could bankrupt them. I am not sure on what level you are considering what you have achieved to be a "success:
Since they will still have their original Citizenship can’t they just return home if bankrupted? So look at is if more of an option than equity.... also we are assuming that the original citizenship is of a country with “socialized” healthcare because they mentioned the Paris embassy... my guess is they are from a 3rd county and France was a stop off...
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Since they will still have their original Citizenship can’t they just return home if bankrupted? So look at is if more of an option than equity.... also we are assuming that the original citizenship is of a country with “socialized” healthcare because they mentioned the Paris embassy... my guess is they are from a 3rd county and France was a stop off...
Alot ofFrench people moved to the UK because of the difficulty of getting work in France, a lot of gig stuff but very difficult to get anything permanent.
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Alot ofFrench people moved to the UK because of the difficulty of getting work in France, ...
Also because of the French government's overt strategy of punitive income tax rates to fund social programs.
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Alot ofFrench people moved to the UK because of the difficulty of getting work in France, a lot of gig stuff but very difficult to get anything permanent.
But they didn’t need visas and they have access to the NHS as residents.

I can’t for the life of me imagine how bad things must be in your homeland to consider moving to the US to work as a janitor with no safety net, likely no family support, no access to public assistance, in a hand-to-mouth existence, with one of the highest costs of living on earth. Kudos to you if it works for you. I imagine for many Brits it’s not an option they would even consider. We hear “desperate to move to America” on here a lot. I don’t think most of them are that desperate.
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