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We had an odd experience yesterday when we went for our medical exam for our green card application.

I chose a doctor from the 'approved' USCIS list and he sounded rather old when I made the apointment. When my husband and I got there he must have been at least 80 years old; I suspect that all he does is immigration medicals as his son also works in the same practice and concentrates on other medical matters.

It's too long-winded and difficult to get our medical records from England (the FHSA recalled them from our doctor and they're offsite in some storage facility. We would have to get our old surgery to request our records, get them sent from the storage facility to the FHSA and then back to the surgery, where a 'medically trained' staff member could forward our vaccination records to us). Fortunately I had a few boosters when I went to India so all I need is an MMR.

Anyway, after drawing some blood for the compulsory AIDS test, the doc asked my husband to leave the room and said he needed to see my genitals (!). He did call a nurse into the room and asked me to drop my knickers and raise my skirt....had a quick look - didn't touch - and I asked him why he needed to do this, was it to check that I was actually a female? He said it was to check that I didn't have a venereal disease (so why wouldn't this be obvious from the blood test then?).

He was going to do a 'cough and drop' test on my husband but he was on the verge of passing out after his blood was drawn so the doc just had a quick peer at his 'package' as well. We then went off to a diagnostic clinic to get X rays to show that our lungs are clear ($50 each).

We have to return next week for the MMRs....but the doc asked us to pay $370 on the spot for the two of us. He wouldn't take credit cards and it's just as well I'd been to the ATM earlier and had some cash with me...between us all we could raise was $300 and will pay the balance next week. I asked for a receipt.....and he bloody well wrote it out on a prescription!!!!

I'm sure that this is unethical (he certainly seems to be on a fiddle for tax). I asked my friend if she had to show her genitals for her green cards medical (hers was in Australia) and she was shocked when she heard about our experience. She says we should report him to the USCIS. My husband says 'look - at the end of the day we just want no hassle getting the green cards so what's the point'?

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Originally Posted by Englishmum
We had an odd experience yesterday when we went for our medical exam for our green card application.

I chose a doctor from the 'approved' USCIS list and he sounded rather old when I made the apointment. When my husband and I got there he must have been at least 80 years old; I suspect that all he does is immigration medicals as his son also works in the same practice and concentrates on other medical matters.

It's too long-winded and difficult to get our medical records from England (the FHSA recalled them from our doctor and they're offsite in some storage facility. We would have to get our old surgery to request our records, get them sent from the storage facility to the FHSA and then back to the surgery, where a 'medically trained' staff member could forward our vaccination records to us). Fortunately I had a few boosters when I went to India so all I need is an MMR.

Anyway, after drawing some blood for the compulsory AIDS test, the doc asked my husband to leave the room and said he needed to see my genitals (!). He did call a nurse into the room and asked me to drop my knickers and raise my skirt....had a quick look - didn't touch - and I asked him why he needed to do this, was it to check that I was actually a female? He said it was to check that I didn't have a venereal disease (so why wouldn't this be obvious from the blood test then?).

He was going to do a 'cough and drop' test on my husband but he was on the verge of passing out after his blood was drawn so the doc just had a quick peer at his 'package' as well. We then went off to a diagnostic clinic to get X rays to show that our lungs are clear ($50 each).

We have to return next week for the MMRs....but the doc asked us to pay $370 on the spot for the two of us. He wouldn't take credit cards and it's just as well I'd been to the ATM earlier and had some cash with me...between us all we could raise was $300 and will pay the balance next week. I asked for a receipt.....and he bloody well wrote it out on a prescription!!!!

I'm sure that this is unethical (he certainly seems to be on a fiddle for tax). I asked my friend if she had to show her genitals for her green cards medical (hers was in Australia) and she was shocked when she heard about our experience. She says we should report him to the USCIS. My husband says 'look - at the end of the day we just want no hassle getting the green cards so what's the point'?

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I'm afraid they have the option and the right to ask to look at your genitals. Somewhere (perhaps I can find it later) I used to have a document describing the tests they can do, and a full genital examination is one of them. I also know at least two people who had a similar experience to you.

That's not to say that you weren't unlucky. Our charming young immigration doctor just laughed when we asked him if he was going to look at our bits, and told us that it wouldn't be necessary. But then he also regarded about 50% of the other tests as unnecessary. Oh, and he gave us a free 20-minute consultation and detailed advise after he heard my daughter's mild heart-murmur.

I would be as outraged as you if I'd had your experience. Sadly though, I don't think he did anything you can officially compalin about, unless you really want to accuse him of tax fraud based on his refusal to take a credit card.
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Originally Posted by Englishmum
We had an odd experience yesterday when we went for our medical exam for our green card application.
Would have to say it sounds distictly suspicious. Had my gc medical about 8 years ago in Houston, so do not know if comparable to what is done now. I was in a similar position as I had no medical history here. The doctor was Spanish but had a British father and so she was perhaps easier on me than she could have been - I don't recall any physical examination - she just gave me an MMR shot and I think HepB, and drew blood for the AIDS test.
Certainly your experience with the fee sounds very unusual - isn't the INS (sorry, USCIS) medical a standard cost, with then extra charge if they do immunizations ? Also a doctor not taking credit cards is, well, unheard of.
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From this it would seem to be covered
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/Medical_Exam.htm

Each test of the blood sample would cut into his profit
his visual inspection ..saved a specific test ...
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Originally Posted by Englishmum
We had an odd experience yesterday when we went for our medical exam for our green card application.

I chose a doctor from the 'approved' USCIS list and he sounded rather old when I made the apointment. When my husband and I got there he must have been at least 80 years old; I suspect that all he does is immigration medicals as his son also works in the same practice and concentrates on other medical matters.

It's too long-winded and difficult to get our medical records from England (the FHSA recalled them from our doctor and they're offsite in some storage facility. We would have to get our old surgery to request our records, get them sent from the storage facility to the FHSA and then back to the surgery, where a 'medically trained' staff member could forward our vaccination records to us). Fortunately I had a few boosters when I went to India so all I need is an MMR.

Anyway, after drawing some blood for the compulsory AIDS test, the doc asked my husband to leave the room and said he needed to see my genitals (!). He did call a nurse into the room and asked me to drop my knickers and raise my skirt....had a quick look - didn't touch - and I asked him why he needed to do this, was it to check that I was actually a female? He said it was to check that I didn't have a venereal disease (so why wouldn't this be obvious from the blood test then?).

He was going to do a 'cough and drop' test on my husband but he was on the verge of passing out after his blood was drawn so the doc just had a quick peer at his 'package' as well. We then went off to a diagnostic clinic to get X rays to show that our lungs are clear ($50 each).

We have to return next week for the MMRs....but the doc asked us to pay $370 on the spot for the two of us. He wouldn't take credit cards and it's just as well I'd been to the ATM earlier and had some cash with me...between us all we could raise was $300 and will pay the balance next week. I asked for a receipt.....and he bloody well wrote it out on a prescription!!!!

I'm sure that this is unethical (he certainly seems to be on a fiddle for tax). I asked my friend if she had to show her genitals for her green cards medical (hers was in Australia) and she was shocked when she heard about our experience. She says we should report him to the USCIS. My husband says 'look - at the end of the day we just want no hassle getting the green cards so what's the point'?

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Horrible isn't it! I feel for you. 16 years ago when I had to go through my green card stuff I went to London for my exam, chest x-ray, shots etc. The doctor was, as you say, verging on being decrepid and did not see you as a person at all. There were quite a few of us there for exams that day and they had us lined up like cattle in medical robes (not that cattle wear medical robes! ). We were escorted into an examination room one at a time and ushered through very quickly. We all had to have an internal exam which, without being crude, was for the Dr to get his jollies as far as I was concerned as he was very rough and didn't give a rats behind that there was a person attached to that area! .I didn't just randomly pick this guy either, the appointment was set up through the military.

My husband felt terrible that I had gone through that but if you wanted your green card, that's what you had to do. Thank god I never have to do it again is all I can say!
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He was a Doctor right? Then what's the problem? Heck, when I had a medical in the UK about 10 years ago, it took a good look at my sausage and two veg. It's normal. Next time, seek a female Doctor for anything, including BCIS, you are allowed to.

The world is getting too prude in it's old age. Just IMHO.

For my Green Card at the time, I'd have swung mine from the window if it speeded the process up
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Horrible isn't it! I feel for you. 16 years ago when I had to go through my green card stuff I went to London for my exam, chest x-ray, shots etc.
Sound like Dr Phelan ...
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I had a friend who was even asked to roll his foreskin back...as you can imagine, I went with a different doctor, and thankfully only had to roll back my sleeve.
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Originally Posted by Englishmum
We had an odd experience yesterday when we went for our medical exam for our green card application.

I chose a doctor from the 'approved' USCIS list and he sounded rather old when I made the apointment. When my husband and I got there he must have been at least 80 years old; I suspect that all he does is immigration medicals as his son also works in the same practice and concentrates on other medical matters.

It's too long-winded and difficult to get our medical records from England (the FHSA recalled them from our doctor and they're offsite in some storage facility. We would have to get our old surgery to request our records, get them sent from the storage facility to the FHSA and then back to the surgery, where a 'medically trained' staff member could forward our vaccination records to us). Fortunately I had a few boosters when I went to India so all I need is an MMR.



Anyway, after drawing some blood for the compulsory AIDS test, the doc asked my husband to leave the room and said he needed to see my genitals (!). He did call a nurse into the room and asked me to drop my knickers and raise my skirt....had a quick look - didn't touch - and I asked him why he needed to do this, was it to check that I was actually a female? He said it was to check that I didn't have a venereal disease (so why wouldn't this be obvious from the blood test then?).

He was going to do a 'cough and drop' test on my husband but he was on the verge of passing out after his blood was drawn so the doc just had a quick peer at his 'package' as well. We then went off to a diagnostic clinic to get X rays to show that our lungs are clear ($50 each).

We have to return next week for the MMRs....but the doc asked us to pay $370 on the spot for the two of us. He wouldn't take credit cards and it's just as well I'd been to the ATM earlier and had some cash with me...between us all we could raise was $300 and will pay the balance next week. I asked for a receipt.....and he bloody well wrote it out on a prescription!!!!

I'm sure that this is unethical (he certainly seems to be on a fiddle for tax). I asked my friend if she had to show her genitals for her green cards medical (hers was in Australia) and she was shocked when she heard about our experience. She says we should report him to the USCIS. My husband says 'look - at the end of the day we just want no hassle getting the green cards so what's the point'?

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sorry to say its the luck of the draw I think, both my eldest and myself had to go through the same indignity, the explaination given to us, its to check you really are a female. I think because my youngest was then under the age of 16, she was spared the embarrassment.

The fee seems about right as well. Gordon and I didn't have any jab records either so they could have insisted on all the jabs but apparently because we are from the UK, they only gave us the MMR and tetanus booster.

If you test postive for TB expect an x-ray. My husband arm came up with a huge lump and although they knew he had the tb jab, know it can give a false postive result, the law says they have give you an x-ray.

Good thing was, we got our green cards just a brief few weeks later.
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Have to agree with you. Not an unusual request from the USCIS Panel Physician. Many women have had to undergo complete GYN examinations instead of just a look see. A nurse was present, so there was no violation there, and it was quick and easy. While I fully appreciate your suspicions and disbelief, I will go with your husband and tell you to forget about it.


Originally Posted by dbj1000
I'm afraid they have the option and the right to ask to look at your genitals. Somewhere (perhaps I can find it later) I used to have a document describing the tests they can do, and a full genital examination is one of them. I also know at least two people who had a similar experience to you.

That's not to say that you weren't unlucky. Our charming young immigration doctor just laughed when we asked him if he was going to look at our bits, and told us that it wouldn't be necessary. But then he also regarded about 50% of the other tests as unnecessary. Oh, and he gave us a free 20-minute consultation and detailed advise after he heard my daughter's mild heart-murmur.

I would be as outraged as you if I'd had your experience. Sadly though, I don't think he did anything you can officially compalin about, unless you really want to accuse him of tax fraud based on his refusal to take a credit card.
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There is no "standard" fee for the examination. They are free to charge whatever they wish. In fact it is wise if you need immunizations to have them done by your regular doctor on your medical insurance plan before going to the USCIS panel doctor.


Originally Posted by dinosaur
Would have to say it sounds distictly suspicious. Had my gc medical about 8 years ago in Houston, so do not know if comparable to what is done now. I was in a similar position as I had no medical history here. The doctor was Spanish but had a British father and so she was perhaps easier on me than she could have been - I don't recall any physical examination - she just gave me an MMR shot and I think HepB, and drew blood for the AIDS test.
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Originally Posted by Ray
Sound like Dr Phelan ...
Heard he's not doing it anymore - the practice. My husband had to see him, although I don't recall him saying he had to show his bits.
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Heard he's not doing it anymore - the practice. My husband had to see him, although I don't recall him saying he had to show his bits.
They changed the system twice since he went ...
Must be well over a year now ...
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Mine was in London, an American Female Doctor, she just felt my boobs among with the usual other test's, and OH was in the same room
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Originally Posted by Rete
There is no "standard" fee for the examination.
Think that must depend on where you are. We had ours done in Singapore, and when we got the letter advising about it, they listed about a dozen approved doctors, and the fee details that they should charge for the basic exam - they also asked us to advise if any additional fees were incurred - Clearly keeping an eye on their approved docs! Have to say, I never had a problem with the honesty or charging policies of the Singapore doctors we used - more than I can say for here...............
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