USA vs Australia
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Not really interested in getting into whether or not Djokovic should be allowed to enter Australia without being vaccinated, but more about comparing the immigration policies of the two countries.
If I have got this right, on flying into the US, if you do not have citizenship or a green card, and are not seeking asylum, then even with a legal visa, immigration officials can refuse you entry and send you packing, without even an explanation or the ability to appeal to an immigration judge? Is this true for all types of visa's?
It appears Australia affords you the right to appeal through the courts?
Can someone more knowledgeable than me, tell me if I have understood this correctly? If not, what is the main difference, if any, between the two countries?
If I have got this right, on flying into the US, if you do not have citizenship or a green card, and are not seeking asylum, then even with a legal visa, immigration officials can refuse you entry and send you packing, without even an explanation or the ability to appeal to an immigration judge? Is this true for all types of visa's?
It appears Australia affords you the right to appeal through the courts?
Can someone more knowledgeable than me, tell me if I have understood this correctly? If not, what is the main difference, if any, between the two countries?
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If I have got this right, on flying into the US, if you do not have citizenship or a green card, and are not seeking asylum, then even with a legal visa, immigration officials can refuse you entry and send you packing, without even an explanation or the ability to appeal to an immigration judge? Is this true for all types of visa's?
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I do not know and hence my question. Does it not appear that in Australia, you have the right to appeal in front of a judge, rather than just be booted out?
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Maybe, I do not know. If you try to enter the US legally on say a visitors visa and they suspect you of working or getting married once emitted, then without proof or even explanation, is it not the case that you can be turned around and sent home?
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If you try to enter the US on say, the VWP, then if the border official suspects you may not leave at end of 90 days, yes, you can be refused admission - no appeal.
You can quite legally enter the US to marry on the VWP or any tourist visa. You just can't stay after the ceremony but must return to home country to apply for spouse visa.
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Not really interested in getting into whether or not Djokovic should be allowed to enter Australia without being vaccinated, but more about comparing the immigration policies of the two countries.
If I have got this right, on flying into the US, if you do not have citizenship or a green card, and are not seeking asylum, then even with a legal visa, immigration officials can refuse you entry and send you packing, without even an explanation or the ability to appeal to an immigration judge? Is this true for all types of visa's?
It appears Australia affords you the right to appeal through the courts?
Can someone more knowledgeable than me, tell me if I have understood this correctly? If not, what is the main difference, if any, between the two countries?
If I have got this right, on flying into the US, if you do not have citizenship or a green card, and are not seeking asylum, then even with a legal visa, immigration officials can refuse you entry and send you packing, without even an explanation or the ability to appeal to an immigration judge? Is this true for all types of visa's?
It appears Australia affords you the right to appeal through the courts?
Can someone more knowledgeable than me, tell me if I have understood this correctly? If not, what is the main difference, if any, between the two countries?
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That is not true for the UK, it changed some years back while I was still working at Heathrow. If a person arrives in the UK on a visa issued by a UK Embassy, the Chief Immigration Officer can only refuse entry if they have reasonable grounds for believing the visa was improperly obtained.
We spent 6 months in Australia in 2014 and while there watched a number of reality Australian Border Control programs where that seemed to be the situation there. If the admitting officer was suspicious at all then the visitor's visa application would be examined and the visitor refused entry if it was proven that he had improperly obtained the visa.
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We spent 6 months in Australia in 2014 and while there watched a number of reality Australian Border Control programs where that seemed to be the situation there. If the admitting officer was suspicious at all then the visitor's visa application would be examined and the visitor refused entry if it was proven that he had improperly obtained the visa.
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^Sounds exactly the same as the US then:
Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...s-us-visa.html
Hi Pollyana
I hope you're doing okay in the latest round of ~all this~
Having a U.S. visa allows you to travel to a port of entry, airport or land border crossing, and request permission of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Customs and Border Protection (CBP) inspector to enter the United States. While having a visa does not guarantee entry to the United States, it does indicate a consular officer at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate abroad has determined you are eligible to seek entry for that specific purpose. DHS/CBP inspectors, guardians of the nation’s borders, are responsible for admission of travelers to the United States, for a specified status and period of time. DHS also has responsibility for immigration matters while you are present in the United States.
Hi Pollyana

I hope you're doing okay in the latest round of ~all this~
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