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Zen10 Jan 13th 2013 1:33 pm

US to send troops to 35 African countries
 
Ostensibly to fight Al Qaeda but really about counterbalancing Chinese presence there. Not really being reported in mainstream media - no point in advertising the cold war with China, I guess.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...n-nations.html

Hiro11 Jan 14th 2013 2:36 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 
That blog seems more than a little suspect (especially given the self-quoting going on there).

Also, it's worth noting two things:

-we're talking a grand total of 4,000 troops here for all operations, most of which are focused on training local troops. It's not peanuts, but it's not anything close to a major ground operation.

- the cornerstone operation in Mali is actually being spearheaded by the French (those dastardly unilateralists), the US role there is purely non-combat, it's observation drones.

HarryTheSpider Jan 14th 2013 8:52 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 
... assuming there's money to pay for it?

Zen10 Jan 14th 2013 9:01 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 10482191)
That blog seems more than a little suspect (especially given the self-quoting going on there).

Also, it's worth noting two things:

-we're talking a grand total of 4,000 troops here for all operations, most of which are focused on training local troops. It's not peanuts, but it's not anything close to a major ground operation.

- the cornerstone operation in Mali is actually being spearheaded by the French (those dastardly unilateralists), the US role there is purely non-combat, it's observation drones.

The info is correct, whatever the blog looks like. The significance of the deployment is the symbolic value it represents to Beijing.

robin1234 Jan 14th 2013 10:45 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10482924)
The info is correct, whatever the blog looks like. The significance of the deployment is the symbolic value it represents to Beijing.

The Chinese play the long game, they can afford to wait a few decades while the little American attention span jumps from one thing to another..

jas88 Jan 14th 2013 11:02 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 10482191)
- the cornerstone operation in Mali is actually being spearheaded by the French (those dastardly unilateralists), the US role there is purely non-combat, it's observation drones.

Stranger still, part of the air transport for the French troops is being handled by the RAF - a pair of C-17s. French troops being flown by British crews on American transport aircraft!

Zen10 Jan 14th 2013 11:18 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 10483080)
The Chinese play the long game, they can afford to wait a few decades while the little American attention span jumps from one thing to another..

It all comes down to military hardware and numbers. For now, the US massively outspends China on defence. However, not far off China's GDP will exceed that of the US and it will be able to divert more funds to its military than the US can.

This is something that neither the Soviet Union nor Nazi Germany were able to do. Given the undemocratic nature of China, I believe this state of affairs will be seen as a critical threat to the vital interests of the US, and it will respond as it has done with everyone who has tried to challenge it, and indeed the British Empire did with all challengers before.

Drakule Jan 16th 2013 6:27 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 
http://www.africom.mil/

Hiro11 Jan 16th 2013 7:27 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10482924)
The info is correct, whatever the blog looks like.

The facts listed there have been heavily editorialized. Also, the second half of the blog post is entirely opinion that refers to other blog posts on the same site.

The significance of the deployment is the symbolic value it represents to Beijing.
I'm sure this is part of it. Other facts include AQIM is now the best funded and best equiped Al Queda franchise in the world and that this area is seething with civil war. These are also both probably parts of the story.

SATX John Jan 17th 2013 11:30 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by jas88 (Post 10483104)
Stranger still, part of the air transport for the French troops is being handled by the RAF - a pair of C-17s. French troops being flown by British crews on American transport aircraft!

The C17s are on loan to the UK, since the UK defense budget cannot afford to buy them, call it a lease. The French do not have a similar agreement, and hence they cannot deploy as rapidly, since they cut their defense budget.


Originally Posted by Drakule (Post 10486992)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...sistance-army/

Nothing new here. The premise of the article is nothing new, this has been happening for decades, just under a new command. The US supports many countries in their efforts to defeat terrorism and threats.

Yep, that is their website, part of the UCP "Unified Command Plan" the US uses, and is directed to execute by law and through the president.


Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 10487147)
The facts listed there have been heavily editorialized. Also, the second half of the blog post is entirely opinion that refers to other blog posts on the same site.
I'm sure this is part of it. Other facts include AQIM is now the best funded and best equiped Al Queda franchise in the world and that this area is seething with civil war. These are also both probably parts of the story.

You can google many things related to this area Trans Sahara, not concurring with the accuracy of those sites results. Agreed the cited source draws conclusions that are not accurate. Resources and the idea that the purpose of reducing "Chinese Influence" is flawed fundamentally.

This article smacks of conspiracy theory and Alex Jones logic. :confused:

Zen10 Jan 17th 2013 10:18 pm

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by SATX John (Post 10489876)
Resources and the idea that the purpose of reducing "Chinese Influence" is flawed fundamentally.

This article smacks of conspiracy theory and Alex Jones logic. :confused:

The Chinese are not in Africa to "influence" anything and are rather open about the West's failure to democratise it. They are there principally for the natural resources and for trade. For now, US interests in Africa are not being threatened, but the reason foe the increased US presence is because they know this is not a static arrangement.

gruffbrown Jan 18th 2013 2:09 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by SATX John (Post 10489876)

This article smacks of conspiracy theory and Alex Jones logic. :confused:

He never sang the Snowman song?

jas88 Jan 18th 2013 3:18 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by SATX John (Post 10489876)
The C17s are on loan to the UK, since the UK defense budget cannot afford to buy them, call it a lease. The French do not have a similar agreement, and hence they cannot deploy as rapidly, since they cut their defense budget.

The first four were leased back in 2000, but my information was that they were bought outright at the end of that lease period, given Airbus's A400M "issues"...

SATX John Jan 18th 2013 6:44 am

Re: US to send troops to 35 African countries
 

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10490593)
The Chinese are not in Africa to "influence" anything and are rather open about the West's failure to democratise it. They are there principally for the natural resources and for trade. For now, US interests in Africa are not being threatened, but the reason foe the increased US presence is because they know this is not a static arrangement.

I agree with the second part, not that the Chinese maybe attempting to fill a democratization void. There are many studies from rand and others on the near and long term Chinese interests.

I would venture the US security interest in Africa is more terrorism related, then countering Chinese economic activities.


Originally Posted by jas88 (Post 10491079)
The first four were leased back in 2000, but my information was that they were bought outright at the end of that lease period, given Airbus's A400M "issues"...

You are correct, the UK now owns them.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...d-a-5th-02506/


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