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Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 11925892)
From the point of view of security clearance you may have a point, but giving up foreign citizenships might be necessary to get the job. So there's not much point in arguing that you can get security clearance while holding dual citizenship if you can't get the job anyway.
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Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by benblaney
(Post 11925884)
They don't require it. That's my point. You haven't cited any source, but here's one: NISPOM 2-209. Even non-US Citizens *can* get a clearance. It's incredibly rare; I've only seen it three or four times, and always in the most urgent of situation. But I've known literally dozens of dual nationals with clearances.
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Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by MidAtlantic
(Post 11925901)
Your experience is in defense contracting but does that mean that you know all the requirements of every US government department and agency?
But, you're right. I really only did DOD, and a little bit of State. I never did Energy or any of that other stuff. But DOD is pretty straightforward, because all the branches of the military use OPM. I'm telling people what I saw based on a decade of experience, and I've posted citations. I'm the only guy in this thread who's actually answering the OP's question. |
Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by benblaney
(Post 11925884)
They don't require it. That's my point. You haven't cited any source, but here's one: NISPOM 2-209. Even non-US Citizens *can* get a clearance. It's incredibly rare; I've only seen it three or four times, and always in the most urgent of situation. But I've known literally dozens of dual nationals with clearances.
Given the competition for places at the academies if you start arguing with them over renouncing they most likely will pass you over. |
Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by MidAtlantic
(Post 11925901)
Your experience is in defense contracting but does that mean that you know all the requirements of every US government department and agency?
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Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by ottotheboar
(Post 11925910)
My sources were the admissions officers at the USMA, Naval and Coast Guard academies. Also a JAG officer at UVA had the same opinion.
Given the competition for places at the academies if you start arguing with them over renouncing they most likely will pass you over. |
Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 11925913)
This! What works for hiring at BB's employer is not universally applicable to all roles requiring security clearance.
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Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by benblaney
(Post 11925914)
Don't extrapolate from something that may well be an entrance requirement for a US Military Academy, to the OP's situation of entering the cleared workforce as a civilian. That's my point.
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Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by benblaney
(Post 11925915)
There's no better advice in this thread than mine. I never said it was universal, but I have pointed out some fallacies in universal statements of other posters.
Your advice would have been better received if you had made it clear that it is possible to get security clearance while holding dual nationality, but not necessarily possible to get every job requiring security clearance when you have dual nationality. |
Re: US security clearances
Originally Posted by benblaney
(Post 11925914)
Don't extrapolate from something that may well be an entrance requirement for a US Military Academy, to the OP's situation of entering the cleared workforce as a civilian. That's my point.
Security clearance was one of the reasons it was a requirement to renounce. You do not need to renounce to apply, I do not believe the question of dual nationality was brought up. |
Re: US security clearances
Just checked in to find a feistier discussion than I expected.
If clearances can potentially be obtained without renouncing citizenship that is encouraging. I'm not sure I'd want to give it up, but that is purely from a pragmatic perspective. I think my position would be logical and defensible if I ever had that conversation, and I probably would be willing to negotiate if the job was promising enough. |
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