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Old May 17th 2007, 6:08 pm
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The White House and the US Senate have reached a deal on an immigration bill that could give legal status to millions of illegal immigrants.

Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy confirmed the agreement that would also establish a merit-based system for future migrants.

US President George W Bush is expected to endorse the bill, which strengthens border controls, Mr Kennedy said.

The bipartisan group is set to announce details of the accord on Thursday.

Points system

A centrepiece of the deal was the establishment of a "points system" that would emphasise immigrants' education and job skills over family connections in awarding green cards.

After first paying visa fees and a $5,000 fine - and returning to their home country - illegal immigrants would be eligible for the new "Z visa".

The permanent residency application process would take between eight and 13 years under the proposed bill.


The bill is expected to cause passionate debate in the Senate next week.

Immigration reform has been one of Mr Bush's top priorities in government, after the so-called "war on terror".

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"The permanent residency application process would take between eight and 13 years under the proposed bill."

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Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy confirmed the agreement that would also establish a merit-based system for future migrants.
I assume country of origin plays a part in the merit-based system knowing old Teddy.
If you are white and of Irish descent I would imagine you get to go to the front of the queue.
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I assume country of origin plays a part in the merit-based system knowing old Teddy.
If you are white and of Irish descent I would imagine you get to go to the front of the queue.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG View Post
I assume country of origin plays a part in the merit-based system knowing old Teddy.
If you are white and of Irish descent I would imagine you get to go to the front of the queue.
I recall reading somewhere that there are more illegal Canadians and Irish (combined) than all non- Mexican hispanics. A hefty voting block for Mr. Chappiquiddick.
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"The permanent residency application process would take between eight and 13 years under the proposed bill."

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Sorta.

But if they make it too tough and the target group just reject it and carry on doing what they've already been doing, what are they going to do then? The simple logistics of enforcement suggest it would break any attempt to enforce this law.
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I recall reading somewhere that there are more illegal Canadians and Irish (combined) than all non- Mexican hispanics. A hefty voting block for Mr. Chappiquiddick.
I really doubt that, I don't think Ireland is even in the top ten of places that illegals come from.

In fact these are the figures according to Wikipedia from Jan 2006
Mexico 6,840,000 57%
Latin & Central Amer. 3,000,000 24%
Asia 1,080,000 9%
Europe + Canada 720,000 6%
Rest of World 480,000 4%
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Amusing, nobody knows.

How did they count them?
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After first paying visa fees and a $5,000 fine - and returning to their home country - illegal immigrants would be eligible for the new "Z visa".
Five grand, going home and waiting? These folks are here to feed their families. The only people who could afford to do that are those who've "made it" here, own homes here, etc and am I being cynical to suggest that these folks are more likely to vote Republican than the guy still picking grapes?
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Five grand, going home and waiting? These folks are here to feed their families. The only people who could afford to do that are those who've "made it" here, own homes here, etc and am I being cynical to suggest that these folks are more likely to vote Republican than the guy still picking grapes?
Nope, the devil is in the detail:

Under the deal, undocumented workers who crossed into the country before Jan. 1 would be offered a temporary-residency permit while they await a new "Z Visa" that would allow them to live and work lawfully here. The head of an illegal-immigrant household would have eight years to return to his or her home country to apply for permanent legal residence for members of the household, but each Z Visa itself would be renewable indefinitely, as long as the holder passes a criminal background check, remains fully employed and pays a $5,000 fine, plus a paperwork-processing fee.
Z Visa holders can also sponsor parents, spouses and children.
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I guarantee you that the queue from people who've worked illegally in the US who can fork out $5K and wait, is going to be significantly full of people who did not come from Latin America.

You know how much people are willing to pay to get into the US.
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I should mention that those unauthorised workers who go through the current IR/CR Spousal process etc in Mexico can apply, wait here, go back the day before the interview, file an immediate waiver and assuming it is clearly approvable they will be back within 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG View Post
I assume country of origin plays a part in the merit-based system knowing old Teddy.
If you are white and of Irish descent I would imagine you get to go to the front of the queue.

Are you talking about the majority of "might be" future constitutents in my neighborhood?
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I should mention that those unauthorised workers who go through the current IR/CR Spousal process etc in Mexico can apply, wait here, go back the day before the interview, file an immediate waiver and assuming it is clearly approvable they will be back within 2 weeks.
If the deal goes through I assure you that there will be current H-1B holders who wished they'd gone out of status on the 31st December.

Though possibly if they worked on the side (or their H-4 spouses worked) that might count? Cos is it only illegal presence, or illegally working? Two different matters.
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Z Visa holders can also sponsor parents, spouses and children.
But early reports state there will be a general move away from family-based immigration towards skill based. Looks like they're considering limiting the numbers for parental immigration for starters.
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