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tamms_1965 Jan 12th 2009 4:33 am

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by lisa67 (Post 7157105)
Suzy Orman was talking about student loans the other day on TV and said exactly what you've said (are you Suzie in disguise ;)??) That you should get your child to have the loan in their name even if you're going to pay it because of the lower rates.

No, but I've got a 21- and a 19-yr old in college....you learn fast about all the options.

lisa67 Jan 12th 2009 6:01 am

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by tamms_1965 (Post 7157318)
No, but I've got a 21- and a 19-yr old in college....you learn fast about all the options.

I appreciate the info too as my son is a HS freshman and I'm well aware of the mine field we're about to step into !!

Bob Jan 12th 2009 9:35 am

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by boltonja1 (Post 7156952)
We are on an L1 visa. I have been told that her UK qualifications will be referred to the international admissions officer to be translated into US grades so I guess it depends on how much experience of this the college has. We did try and check the situation out before coming over - our main concern was to ensure that after 12 months here, we would qualify for instate fees which seems to be the case. Out of state fees would have been out of our reach.

Find out from the uni who they want to translate the grades, because it's an unregulated business, anyone can do it, so uni's tend to have a preference, no point doing it in advance unless you know who they want, WES probably, but might not be.

Also note, as an L2, your kid won't be allowed to work whilst studying and I know that affects some here, less the money, just the fact that they can't get involved doing stuff with friends.

BoA offer private loans to be used for college, the rates are crap though, but if that's all that your able to get, it's something.

Oh, and in v out state fees would depend on the uni, most do require you living in the state for 12 months or so, but some still won't give you in state rates unless you are a permanent resident, so double check that with the uni.

augigi Jan 12th 2009 10:13 am

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by boltonja1 (Post 7156991)
Thank you for your reply. Yes, we think we qualify for instate fees as we will have been living here for 12 months when she applies. Why did you have to wait for the authorities to "cave in" - is the situation open to interpreatation? (Please say not!) She is booked in on an SAT preparation course at the school which should help her but she will not have AS/A levels, just GCSEs and her high school diploma.

Check the university rules - my uni has an exclusion that people on non-immigrant visas do not qualify for instate tuition even if they've been living here for 12 months. However - you can appeal, which I did, given that my visa is indefinitely renewable.

wisewol Jan 12th 2009 11:44 am

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by boltonja1 (Post 7156991)
Thank you for your reply. Yes, we think we qualify for instate fees as we will have been living here for 12 months when she applies. Why did you have to wait for the authorities to "cave in" - is the situation open to interpreatation? (Please say not!) She is booked in on an SAT preparation course at the school which should help her but she will not have AS/A levels, just GCSEs and her high school diploma.

It was just slightly different for us as my DD was out here on a visa working for Disney for a year before we moved. So we had to prove that she had been living independently in Florida for 12 months. Which fortunatley as she had paid rent and a car loan we were able to do. We had no problem with then converting her english results but she is at UF and they take quite a few international kids and are therefore used to it. If she did GCSE's she should have no problem with her SAT's


Anyone any idea why I am not getting e-mail alerts at the moment when I have ticked that box ?????

A8NNC Mar 18th 2009 3:58 am

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Hi
I need as much info as possible as we are poss moving out towards end of year and my daughter will be completing her GCSE's by end of June..... Can you point me in right direction to even finding a suitable - good college in the Kissimmee sort of area.
Would appreciate all your help.
Thanks

Bluegrass Lass Mar 18th 2009 4:17 am

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by A8NNC (Post 7393852)
Hi
I need as much info as possible as we are poss moving out towards end of year and my daughter will be completing her GCSE's by end of June..... Can you point me in right direction to even finding a suitable - good college in the Kissimmee sort of area.
Would appreciate all your help.
Thanks

Ok, from my limited knowledge of Brit terminology from my OH, I know that Brits consider 'college' different from 'uni'. FYI, here in the US, they are one and the same. There are literally tens of thousands of colleges/uni's in the US. Just to give you a crash course, in case you don't already know:

You get local community colleges that typically offer certificates and associates degrees (2yr degrees), and some will even offer bachelor degrees. They usually only offer limited fields of study. Then you have the higher level uni's/colleges that offer bachelor's and masters and PhD's. Some are going to be more specialized for certain fields (such as liberal arts, science, medicine, etc) or at the very least they will have a reputation for certain degrees (med, business, engineering).

To find a uni, you can use Google to find ones local to area, and then start eliminating them based on tuition, degrees offered, locale, admission standards, etc. What you define as good will be completely diff from what I consider good. You probably need to get started looking into admission standards now. Given that she will have no education history in the US, you may need quite a bit of documentation. It's almost absolutely certain that they will have to evaluate her scores into a US equivalent in order to deem it sufficient for admisstion. This procedure differs by school, so it's best to narrow down the schools first, so that you are not going through too many of these evaluations (sometimes you may have to pay for yourself - I know we had to).

A8NNC Mar 18th 2009 4:21 am

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Hiya
Well thanks for that, was quite confused re college/uni - I have trawled the net so to speak, but will get back on it. Thank you :)

Folinskyinla Mar 18th 2009 4:13 pm

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by boltonja1 (Post 7154797)
We just moved to California in August 2008 with our 16 year old daughter who is now in 11th Grade (Junior Year). Later on this year, she will be applying for a place in the University of California system which is complicated by the fact that she spent 9th and 10th grade at a UK high school where she left with 11 good grade GCSEs. Is there anyone out there who was in a similar position? (we trust the UC university will recognise the value of her GCSEs) How did you find the process? Were you able to access any grants or loans? (These seem only to be available to US citizens)

Hi:

Elder daughter went private on East Coast, but is now in scientific PhD for which she has grant money. Younger one graduated from UC Santa Cruz.

The rules can get complicated -- had a client with a green card, but whose father had abandoned residence -- Community College and CSU&C considered him a resident eligible for in-state fees, but UC did not. The weird thing is that CSU&C and UC were following the SAME legislative provisions -- go figure.

Jerseygirl Mar 18th 2009 9:01 pm

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by A8NNC (Post 7393852)
Hi
I need as much info as possible as we are poss moving out towards end of year and my daughter will be completing her GCSE's by end of June..... Can you point me in right direction to even finding a suitable - good college in the Kissimmee sort of area.
Would appreciate all your help.
Thanks

Here kids attend high school for year 11 and 12...they don't go to college during this time as many do in the UK.

A8NNC Mar 18th 2009 9:04 pm

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 7396914)
Here kids attend high school for year 11 and 12...they don't go to college during this time as many do in the UK.

Hi
So are you saying she should really go to High School until she is 18 (is it 18 years...) and then look to go to a US College/Uni as she would in the UK. Then I can look at High Schools, dont suppose it would make a lot of difference if she was a year older/younger... thanks

Jerseygirl Mar 18th 2009 10:28 pm

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by A8NNC (Post 7396921)
Hi
So are you saying she should really go to High School until she is 18 (is it 18 years...) and then look to go to a US College/Uni as she would in the UK. Then I can look at High Schools, dont suppose it would make a lot of difference if she was a year older/younger... thanks

Yes normally kids attend high school until they're 18...then go onto uni. It used to be the same in the UK until 6th form colleges were introduced.

BTW an undergrad degree takes approx 4 yrs in the US.

penguinsix Mar 18th 2009 11:42 pm

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Generally speaking a college offers degrees in only one field of study, and a university is collection of many colleges. The University of Illinois has a College of Engineering, a College of Business, a College of Liberal Arts, etc. whereas you may see smaller schools like St. Johns College offering only Liberal Arts degrees (no business, engineering, etc). Community colleges are 'associate' degrees--two years that can either provide you some vocational skills (auto shop, carpentry) or can be a low-cost way to save before you transfer somewhere to a larger college or university for your bachelor's degree.

It's also worth noting though you've probably already discovered that 'residency' for the purposes of in-state tuition has nothing to do with 'residency' for the purposes of immigration. Two different bureaucracies using the same term with different meaning.

jumping doris Mar 20th 2009 4:40 am

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We came over here when my eldest daughter was 16. She had just taken her GCSE's. She did two years (junior and senior) at a US high school and then applied to US universities.

She was able to use all of that to her advantage because she could say

"look at me...I made a huge transatlantic move at a crucial time but I still graduated high school with a GPA of 4 (her school maximum was a 5 GPA). I took my SATs and ACT and got an acceptable result and I have these funny things called GCSE's. I also joined in with everything I could in my two years at high school and all of this shows what a fabulous person I am!"

or words to that effect.

She was on an H4 visa at the time which caused it's own problems but that's another story.

We found we had to speak directly to the colleges at a really high level..think president/ VP for admissions and she wrote a personal essay outlining her achievements and emphasizing the move.

My middle daughter came here as a freshman but she is still finding that the transatlantic move makes her interesting to colleges now that she is applying.

We now have green cards and so both daughters are eligible for grants/scholarships etc which makes a huge difference.

A8NNC Mar 20th 2009 5:10 am

Re: US College System
 

Originally Posted by jumping doris (Post 7401632)
We came over here when my eldest daughter was 16. She had just taken her GCSE's. She did two years (junior and senior) at a US high school and then applied to US universities.

She was able to use all of that to her advantage because she could say

"look at me...I made a huge transatlantic move at a crucial time but I still graduated high school with a GPA of 4 (her school maximum was a 5 GPA). I took my SATs and ACT and got an acceptable result and I have these funny things called GCSE's. I also joined in with everything I could in my two years at high school and all of this shows what a fabulous person I am!"

or words to that effect.

She was on an H4 visa at the time which caused it's own problems but that's another story.

We found we had to speak directly to the colleges at a really high level..think president/ VP for admissions and she wrote a personal essay outlining her achievements and emphasizing the move.

My middle daughter came here as a freshman but she is still finding that the transatlantic move makes her interesting to colleges now that she is applying.

We now have green cards and so both daughters are eligible for grants/scholarships etc which makes a huge difference.

Hi
Our daughter will be 17 but would you suggest then that she does the last 2 years at High School... sounds from you that it will be the best idea, i dont suppose it would make much difference if she is 19 when she leaves, would it? Do the schools have the same terms as us eg do they start a new school year in Sept, as this would be the date we would have to make sure we were here for ready for her to start a new school year. When we have confirmation of where we will be living is that when you contact the local school? What did you need to provide/produce when you applied for her at High School? Did you have to get her GCSE's converted (as might be difficult as she wont get results until end of August). Thanking you in advance for your answers...thanks....


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