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US Citizenship: pros and cons?

Old Jul 29th 2016, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
What a lot of people don't seem to think too much about is the situation that they put their young or future children into, with respect to having to register with the Selective Service, and many years later it seems to cause some parents, and presumably some of their sons, and soon daughters too, a certain amount of angst.

That said, I can't imagine any circumstance where the US would send conscripts into battle again. War is increasingly mechanized and automated, with US "soldiers" often fighting from behind a computer screen hundreds if not thousands of miles away. IMO the chances of the Selective Service being asked to call anyone into the military services is vanishingly small.
This is true. I would be most worried about FBAR/taxation mess, and thats really why I wouldn't take US nationality, knowing i would never retire in the US.
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Old Aug 8th 2016, 9:31 pm
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Default Re: US Citizenship: pros and cons?

Thanks but I still do not see the huge difference, apart from the taxes, Jury duty, returning to entering the country avoiding the long queue, anything else?

Originally Posted by lansbury
Having been a citizen since 2009, I don't think there really are any significant reasons not to.

You have to file a US tax return but personally I was paying tax in the UK, and by becoming a citizen that tax was then paid in the US. If I have to pay tax I prefer to pay it where I live, not where I don't get any benefit. Ian mentioned jury duty - got called twice while a LPR and had to decline their kind invitation. Finally been called as a citizen for duty in two weeks time. Doing an annual tax return and jury duty once or twice every ten years is not a reason to not be a citizen.

Biggest reason to do it, is the peace of mind of knowing a citizen can come and go as they please.
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Old Aug 8th 2016, 9:59 pm
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Originally Posted by veryfunny
Thanks but I still do not see the huge difference, apart from the taxes, Jury duty, returning to entering the country avoiding the long queue, anything else?
It isn't about avoiding the long queue. It is about having a right to enter the US regardless of any changes made to future immigration law. Knowing you can come and go as YOU please.
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Old Aug 8th 2016, 10:11 pm
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Originally Posted by veryfunny
Thanks but I still do not see the huge difference, apart from the taxes, Jury duty, returning to entering the country avoiding the long queue, anything else?
Yes - the ability to pass US citizenship to your children or, perhaps more importantly, your grandchildren. As Yoda said: Difficult to see, always in motion is the future.

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Old Aug 9th 2016, 5:50 am
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Default Re: US Citizenship: pros and cons?

Well, I am still thinking about doing that or just filing for another PR for ten years. Thanks for your reply.

Originally Posted by ian-mstm
Yes - the ability to pass US citizenship to your children or, perhaps more importantly, your grandchildren. As Yoda said: Difficult to see, always in motion is the future.

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One benefit no-one has mentioned is not having to deal with USCIS again.

To renew a greencard for 10 years is $450 and to get citizenship is $690
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Originally Posted by BubbleChog
One benefit no-one has mentioned is not having to deal with USCIS again.
This alone is surely worth the extra $240!

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Originally Posted by ian-mstm
This alone is surely worth the extra $240! .....
You also get to see a video on how wonderful America is.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Do you need help packing too?
Nah still haven't unpacked from the last move.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
You also get to see a video on how wonderful America is.
and you get a copy of the US Constitution which you call pull out of an inside pocket and wave around at a Democratic Party Conference.
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Old Aug 9th 2016, 6:57 pm
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Originally Posted by lansbury
and you get a copy of the US Constitution which you call pull out of an inside pocket and wave around at a Democratic Party Conference.
and you can move from the UK and have official American confirmation that you can speak English.
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Originally Posted by Gozit
Normally I scoff when people even debate dual nationality as 99% of the time there are zero consequences to it. But with the US there are. Namely military service (do you want to be drafted into the US military if they get into war?) and tax. Banks have to report the accounts of US nationals living abroad via FBAR and get penalties if they don't. As a result some foreign banks choose not to serve US citizens. So its a two edged sword, if you want to leave the US you can either do so as a citizen with the right to return but the obligation to report foreign accounts and pay tax, or leave as a Brit with no obligations to the US but also no right to return. Its tricky.

If it were me, the one nationality I would choose not to take up is that of the US. But many happily take US nationality with the benefits it gives and that isnt a bad decision either.
I came to the US when there was a draft, as a US resident you are eligible for the draft. I had to register for S.S. Still have the card. I have two friends, one a German the other British, not US citizens at the time, that were drafted, and served in the US Army.

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Old Aug 9th 2016, 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by lansbury
and you get a copy of the US Constitution which you call pull out of an inside pocket and wave around at a Democratic Party Conference.
Hey! I didn't get a copy of the Constitution! Do I complain to my Congressman or Senator?
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Hey! I didn't get a copy of the Constitution! Do I complain to my Congressman or Senator?
You should do. We were all given a copy at my oath ceremony, which was identical to the one Mr Khan was waving at the convention.
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Originally Posted by ScousePete
Hey! I didn't get a copy of the Constitution! Do I complain to my Congressman or Senator?
Hubby didn't get one either. You both have been slighted by the Feds.
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