fatbrit

One estimate of the WW2 death count is here. Really don't think it could have been much worse, do you?

The enemy at last was plain in view, huge and hateful, all disguise cast off. It was the Modern Age in arms. Whatever the outcome there was a place for him in that battle.
Waugh -- Sword of Honour Trilogy

There was no reason to go into Iraq whatsoever. Saddam was suitably contained in a region where stability is an over-riding factor. He was no threat to anyone but his own people, and seemingly less of a threat than the current "liberating" force.

It seems that all the infidels need nuking in your book.

Hopefully, November will see you consigned to the sidelines where you and your dangerous thought firmly belong.

scrubbedexpat099

I think that is a bit unfair, he may have had a bad year, or two, but you need to look at his overall performance.

I am sure if he had survived a bit longer his averages would have improved.

And of course unless I have missed something the various different factions are quite happy killing each other, like so many other areas in the world, US help not needed.

Personally I think going to Iraq was a big mistake, but I would admit arguable, making such a cock up of it the inexcusable bit.

franc11s

FatBrit

I don't understand either of your points this time and you were doing so well

Are you actually saying we (Britain) should not have gone to war with Germany - really? SHould we have left Poland to it? I guess less people may have died but really, is this how you think?

As for you point :

**Saddam was suitably contained in a region where stability is an over-riding factor. He was no threat to anyone but his own people.**

I rest my case.

and for the record I do not think we should nuke/kill all Muslims. Not even close. But I do think we need a new approach to terrorists.... some outside the box thinking...

scrubbedexpat099

Those numbers seem well understated, perhaps they only include casualties inflicted by the opposition.

If there had been an invasion of Japan their numbers could have gone well up, plus the Allies.

And as I said Israel is a one bomb problem. The consequences could be interesting.

Chorlton

They're not as good at starting wars.

Chorlton

I read a list of their past veto use - very interesting...
oh, heres one:
http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html

scrubbedexpat099

Well:

WW1

WW2

Korea

Vietnam

To name a few.

Chorlton

No one said they didnt start wars, they just dont have the same flair
Did the US start WW1 and 2?

snowbunny

Yesterday I heard an interesting summary of the Iraq war.

Saddam Hussein was actually more scared of Iran and his own Sunni and Kurd populations than he was of the US. He wanted to keep the Iranians and his own population thinking he just might have a WMD, which is why he disallowed inspectors.

Which then gave Bush a flimsy excuse to invade. HE intended to kill the Wicked Witch, hand the keys to the kingdom over to the grateful Munchkins, and have nearly everyone home by September 2003.

Unfortunately they were both wrong.

snowbunny

A Democrat was in power at the time they joined the war effort.

Chorlton

Should have used a sarcasm smilie...

fatbrit

I gave you the opening quote from a contemporary novel about a young man who joined up because he viewed it as a battle between good and evil. The novel deals with his disillusionment over his initial premise (and also serves as an excellent history of the events in Europe at that time). You, too, it would appear have the same naivety and simplicity of thought that the young Guy Crouchback had when he began his crusade for righteousness and discovered it was not so clear cut. If you haven't read them, I would thoroughly recommend them

I said nothing except note that the question is deserving of a thesis.


So it was a mistake to invade Iraq, I presume. One based on a false premise? Or what?


So it isn't a solution to go over there and invade their countries? Coz that's the one you've been trying.

scrubbedexpat099

WOW

Major news story breaks on BE First!

tony126

Glad to see things starting to get lively again. I shall now adopt the correct approach and watch the outcome. Do not want to be accused of taking sides.

snowbunny

shush and fetch us some popcorn.