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The Ukraine:- Official

Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC

Re: The Ukraine:- Official

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Originally Posted by manc1976

Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC

Don't forget much, do you Manc. :)

Re: The Ukraine:- Official

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Originally Posted by manc1976

Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC

Ah, but the medals table doesn't say The Ukraine...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olym...le/default.stm

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Rank          Country          Gold          Silver  Bronze  Total

1         China                 10         6         4         20

2         United States         8         10         8         26

3         Japan                 8         3         2         13

4         Australia         6         4         6         16

5         Ukraine         5         1         1         7

Re: The Ukraine:- Official

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Originally Posted by James Box

Ah, but the medals table doesn't say The Ukraine...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olym...le/default.stm

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Rank          Country          Gold          Silver  Bronze  Total

1         China                 10         6         4         20

2         United States         8         10         8         26

3         Japan                 8         3         2         13

4         Australia         6         4         6         16

5         Ukraine         5         1         1         7

For your amusement James

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Originally Posted by manc1976

For your amusement James

Hehe. Excellent.

Re: The Ukraine:- Official

I agree with "the Ukraine" though. It sounds better in English than "Ukraine" or say "the Latvia" who have just gone a goal down to "the Welsh" ;)

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Don't forget much, do you Manc. :)

And that sig has cropped up here before too. Who was it that said that? Was it Yosser?

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Originally Posted by ladyofthelake

And that sig has cropped up here before too. Who was it that said that? Was it Yosser?

possibly, it's very Yosserish

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bollocks forgot about this tonight, the BBC let me down after all.

bugger it Ukraine

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Originally Posted by ladyofthelake

And that sig has cropped up here before too. Who was it that said that? Was it Yosser?

My ears were burning....what have I done now? ;)

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Originally Posted by Yosser

My ears were burning....what have I done now? ;)

Found it!!

It wasn't you who said it, but you did start it. :eek:

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Originally Posted by ladyofthelake

Found it!!

It wasn't you who said it, but you did start it. :eek:

lol :D

I forgot all about that thread!

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Originally Posted by manc1976

Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ukraine

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Originally Posted by manc1976

Just to confirm it is called the Ukraine.

If it's good enough for the BBC

I ain't buying it. Imho it could be either, just like saying that someone was "from Britain" or alternatively was "from the British Isles"......

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The or not the, that is the question.

Okay â€“ Iâ€™ll have a stab at it and try to explain where the unfortunate and nationalistic MCL was coming from, since Iâ€™m sure it made no sense to most. Probably, this effort wonâ€™t eitherâ€¦ To understand, you need knowledge of English grammar and East European history.

Grammar
The grammar of the is very irregular in the English language. Its grammatical name is the definite article â€“ DE.

A) Countries

With names of countries, we usually omit the DE:-
Examples: Sweden, Britain, France

However, there are many exceptions to this rule that may cause confusion:

1) We include the DE when the system of government of the country is shown in the name:-
Examples: The United Kingdom, The United Arab Emirates, The USA.

2) We include the DE where the original language would have included it, too:-
Examples: The Netherlands, The Congo.
Here, the Dutch and French language would use their DE â€“ hence so does English.

3) We often omit the DE in text when we are writing the names of countries in titles or tables

B) Regions

We often use the DE when referring to geographic regions.
Examples: The Lake District, The Cotswolds, The Great Plains, The South.

History
The Russian and Ukrainian language do not use the DE. However, when Russian translators were translating into English, they would use the DE in front of the name of (the) Ukraine, i.e. they were saying that this place is a geographic region, not a country. When (the) Ukraine took independence, Ukrainian translators dropped the DE, i.e. they were stating that they were a country and not a region.