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Old Mar 24th 2019, 10:55 pm
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Hey folks,

Have searched around the threads but can't seem to find something specific so thought I would ask.

Moved to USA in Oct 2017 on a L1 visa and for 2017 was classified as non resident alien.

Now for 2018 I am classified as a permanent resident and I'm trying to get my head around my tax return here.

I have a rental property over in the UK and completed my UK self assessment in Jan for UK tax year ( 6th April 2017 - 5th April 2018 ) and paid my taxes due there for that tax year.

I am trying to understand now how I can apportion the amount of tax I paid in the UK for my rental property and declare it as a deduction on my US Tax return as a foreign tax credit.

Additionally, when I do my US tax return next year would I basically do the same thing as I won't have paid UK taxes for April 2018 - Dec 2018 until then?

Hope my post makes sense.
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Old Mar 25th 2019, 2:10 am
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I can’t comment on rental property in the UK but for many years I have had UK income from pensions and interest. I keep a spreadsheet to record all income from those UK sources on a calendar year and report that annual income on my IRS return. (The P60s are of no use for my IRS return)
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I do the same as durham_lad, keep my own record in a spreadsheet.
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Foreign tax is not apportioned. It is claimed in 2018 if you paid it to HMRC by 31 December 2018.
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Foreign tax is not apportioned. It is claimed in 2018 if you paid it to HMRC by 31 December 2018.
excellent point.

Even though my HMRC self asessment is not due until Jan 31st I always do it before Dec 31st so that I have the tax paid in the calendar year.
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Originally Posted by Cook_County View Post
Foreign tax is not apportioned. It is claimed in 2018 if you paid it to HMRC by 31 December 2018.
Right, so if I paid HMRC in January 2019 or in my case got a refund because I overpaid taxes then I don't claim that as foreign tax credit until my US 2019 return is due?

So that would mean that next year I am claiming foreign tax credit between 2 UK tax years ( assuming I also file my self assessment with HMRC for this year before 31st Dec 2019 )
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Right, so if I paid HMRC in January 2019 or in my case got a refund because I overpaid taxes then I don't claim that as foreign tax credit until my US 2019 return is due?

So that would mean that next year I am claiming foreign tax credit between 2 UK tax years ( assuming I also file my self assessment with HMRC for this year before 31st Dec 2019 )
A refund would be income, not a foreign tax credit., that is credit for foreign income tax withheld.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...ign-tax-credit
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A refund would be income, not a foreign tax credit., that is credit for foreign income tax withheld.
thanks, a bit confused by that statement. HMRC refunded me because I had overpaid taxes to them last year as I lived there for half that tax year.

My accountant here is telling me I need to declare my rental income on my UK property to balance out the taxes I paid HMRC there
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My accountant here is telling me I need to declare my rental income on my UK property to balance out the taxes I paid HMRC there
You need to declare all worldwide income on your US tax return.

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thanks, a bit confused by that statement. HMRC refunded me because I had overpaid taxes to them last year as I lived there for half that tax year.

My accountant here is telling me I need to declare my rental income on my UK property to balance out the taxes I paid HMRC there
The foreign tax credit is somthing you claim on your US tax return for certain eligible foreign taxs withheld. Say you have an income of 100 and have 30 of income tax withheld in the UK, you may get a credit of 30 on your US tax return to offset federal tax owed, say that was 20 you would carry forward the extra 10 to future years. Then you would pay your state and it any local taxs due and would not be able to use that credit for those. If you then got a refund of 20 in the UK related to that tax you reported withheld you would need to make an adjustment to record you only paid 10 after your refund. In that senario I don’t know if you would have to refile the previous year or include it on the next years return as income similar to how you do with some refunds that were not included in your tax return. It’s not simple when you have to take in to account the different tax years and FX rates etc. And while it helps with not being double taxed between some foreign countries and federal if you live in a high tax state like NY, CA etc you are still going to be hit with more tax you can’t offset. And to make things worse assuming your get a lot of offset you are still likely to get hit by AMT if the IRS don’t get enough actual cash from you...
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The foreign tax credit is somthing you claim on your US tax return for certain eligible foreign taxs withheld. Say you have an income of 100 and have 30 of income tax withheld in the UK, you may get a credit of 30 on your US tax return to offset federal tax owed, say that was 20 you would carry forward the extra 10 to future years. Then you would pay your state and it any local taxs due and would not be able to use that credit for those. If you then got a refund of 20 in the UK related to that tax you reported withheld you would need to make an adjustment to record you only paid 10 after your refund. In that senario I don’t know if you would have to refile the previous year or include it on the next years return as income similar to how you do with some refunds that were not included in your tax return. It’s not simple when you have to take in to account the different tax years and FX rates etc. And while it helps with not being double taxed between some foreign countries and federal if you live in a high tax state like NY, CA etc you are still going to be hit with more tax you can’t offset. And to make things worse assuming your get a lot of offset you are still likely to get hit by AMT if the IRS don’t get enough actual cash from you...
What a great insight, I didn't see it that way.

Does anyone know any good accountants in the USA who can help me with filing my US taxes taking into account UK income and taxes. H&R block seem useless.

Thanks for the advice, I guess
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The plot thickens, I went to see a different accountant today who told me since I didn't file my UK Self Assessment until January 2019 for Tax Year April 2017 - April 2018 then I don't need to claim a foreign tax credit this year and only next year as I didn't sum up with HMRC till January this year.

Looking for a second opinion from some people on here
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The plot thickens, I went to see a different accountant today who told me since I didn't file my UK Self Assessment until January 2019 for Tax Year April 2017 - April 2018 then I don't need to claim a foreign tax credit this year and only next year as I didn't sum up with HMRC till January this year.

Looking for a second opinion from some people on here
That seems right to me. From the start I was advised to file with HMRC before Dec 31st each year, which I do. When I file with HMRC I know exactly how much tax I have been been assessed, and so far each year I owe HMRC but I don’t need to pay the balance until Jan 31st so there really is no penalty in filing early, but has the advantage of being able to claim the foreign tax credit in the earlier IRS calendar year.
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