UK state pension and USA social security
#1156
Re: UK state pension and USA social security
The law bring in WEP was passed in 1983. What you really mean is you assumed something without bothering to check how SS was calculated or paid. The information about the WEP are quite well detailed on the SS web site and published leaflets.
#1157
Re: UK state pension and USA social security
Especially Panama
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
You are a victim of the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP), designed to limit the liabilities of the US Social Security fund when people (not necessarily immigrants, because it also applies to government workers who have pension arrangements independent of Social Security) have other pension income.
You might be eligible to make up to seven years additional payments to your UK National Insurance account, which would boost your UK pension pro rata for the additional years.
You might be eligible to make up to seven years additional payments to your UK National Insurance account, which would boost your UK pension pro rata for the additional years.
#1159
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I believe that is correct, but I wasn't sure of the age of the person asking, and at very least it might help someone else reading the thread.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
You have to have a pretty decent income to pay higher premiums:
High income beneficiaries. Retirees with high incomes have been paying bigger Medicare Part B premiums since 2007. Those with retirement incomes between $85,000 and $107,000 ($170,000 to $214,000 for couples) will pay $170.50 in Medicare Part B premiums in 2016. The premium jumps to $243.60 for retirees earning from $107,000 to $160,000 ($214,000 to $320,000 for couples) and $316.70 for those with incomes of $160,000 to $214,000 ($320,000 to $428,000 for couples). People who earn more than $214,000 as an individual or $428,000 as a couple pay $389.80 per month for Medicare Part B. Less than 5 percent of Medicare beneficiaries pay these inflated premiums.
High income beneficiaries. Retirees with high incomes have been paying bigger Medicare Part B premiums since 2007. Those with retirement incomes between $85,000 and $107,000 ($170,000 to $214,000 for couples) will pay $170.50 in Medicare Part B premiums in 2016. The premium jumps to $243.60 for retirees earning from $107,000 to $160,000 ($214,000 to $320,000 for couples) and $316.70 for those with incomes of $160,000 to $214,000 ($320,000 to $428,000 for couples). People who earn more than $214,000 as an individual or $428,000 as a couple pay $389.80 per month for Medicare Part B. Less than 5 percent of Medicare beneficiaries pay these inflated premiums.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
Because they are detailed doesn't make them fair. I feel I'm caught up in a system designed to deal with others problems. Being aware of something doesn't make it right. Having worked to earn my money, paid all my taxes and paid into both countries pension systems. It definitely feels as if my contributions are being stolen. I realize a lot of ex pats don't report their pensions. I did and look where honesty got me.
#1162
Re: UK state pension and USA social security
Because they are detailed doesn't make them fair. I feel I'm caught up in a system designed to deal with others problems. Being aware of something doesn't make it right. Having worked to earn my money, paid all my taxes and paid into both countries pension systems. It definitely feels as if my contributions are being stolen. I realize a lot of ex pats don't report their pensions. I did and look where honesty got me.
As for Medicare, the premiums go up for the wealthy. Comfort yourself with the thought that you have far more than most people in the US even after paying more for Medicare, you are helping people with less money than you "noblesse oblige".
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#1163
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Because they are detailed doesn't make them fair. I feel I'm caught up in a system designed to deal with others problems. Being aware of something doesn't make it right. Having worked to earn my money, paid all my taxes and paid into both countries pension systems. It definitely feels as if my contributions are being stolen. I realize a lot of ex pats don't report their pensions. I did and look where honesty got me.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
You can buy credits for six years in arrears. I think if any of those years are before your state retirement age, you can buy credit for them even if at the time of buying you are past retirement age.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
A number of people have told me they don't report there pensions because the US gov. Takes a chunk of them away. I know it's illegal, but I can't say I blame them.
As far as my being lucky my husband and I have more money than most. It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with working hard. Both in school and life. We, don't have anything we didn't earn. It wasn't a "windfall". Neither of us came from wealthy families. No one gave us free money. And as far as I'm concerned I didn't pay into the system for it to be given randomly to someone else, who quite possible is in need because they don't want to work. If I want to give some of my hard earned money away I'd rather choose who It goes to so that I can make sure its someone deserving of it.
As far as my being lucky my husband and I have more money than most. It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with working hard. Both in school and life. We, don't have anything we didn't earn. It wasn't a "windfall". Neither of us came from wealthy families. No one gave us free money. And as far as I'm concerned I didn't pay into the system for it to be given randomly to someone else, who quite possible is in need because they don't want to work. If I want to give some of my hard earned money away I'd rather choose who It goes to so that I can make sure its someone deserving of it.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
A number of people have told me they don't report there pensions because the US gov. Takes a chunk of them away. I know it's illegal, but I can't say I blame them.
As far as my being lucky my husband and I have more money than most. It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with working hard. Both in school and life. We, don't have anything we didn't earn. It wasn't a "windfall". Neither of us came from wealthy families. No one gave us free money. And as far as I'm concerned I didn't pay into the system for it to be given randomly to someone else, who quite possible is in need because they don't want to work. If I want to give some of my hard earned money away I'd rather choose who It goes to so that I can make sure its someone deserving of it.
As far as my being lucky my husband and I have more money than most. It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with working hard. Both in school and life. We, don't have anything we didn't earn. It wasn't a "windfall". Neither of us came from wealthy families. No one gave us free money. And as far as I'm concerned I didn't pay into the system for it to be given randomly to someone else, who quite possible is in need because they don't want to work. If I want to give some of my hard earned money away I'd rather choose who It goes to so that I can make sure its someone deserving of it.
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Re: UK state pension and USA social security
Agreed - given the current climate about declaring foreign assets, I would've thought it'd be very likely for someone to realize that most nation states pay pensions, so if someone moved to the US during their adulthood, chances are there's a foreign pension lurking in the background. All the necessary information to work this out is already in the government computers.