UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
#1
UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
The title pretty much says it all, the 500 year old Royal Mail service will be no more and will become privately owned. The government run USPS is also struggling and in debt will we likely see the same thing in the US?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D373652
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D373652
#2
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
The title pretty much says it all, the 500 year old Royal Mail service will be no more and will become privately owned. The government run USPS is also struggling and in debt will we likely see the same thing in the US?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D373652
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D373652
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Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
Will probably still require subsidy like the rail companies.
#4
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
You're talking about a country that can't even replace the $1 bill with a coin. They couldn't even get the end of Saturday delivery agreed to.
So the Treasury Dept. looks set to keep bailing out USPS with "loans" for awhile.
I mean look at the totally misleading APWU ads that are already on the TV and that's just about cutbacks. If it was privatized, the cuts would be vastly more severe.
Here in Canada, Canada Post said new workers would have substantially cut back pensions, etc. the union protested and then it all fell apart because no-one really cared, hey ho just use e-mail and Fedex instead. But at least Canada Post is marginally profitable.
I can just imagine the protests if USPS was as crap as Canada Post, someone mailed me a letter from Yellowknife on August 30th and I still haven't gotten it.
"Oh no, I ordered a widget from craponline.com and it took over a week to get here!!! Aaaagggghhh."
The whole business model of on-line retailers would collapse I reckon, in Canada we have to go to these things called "shops" if we want something in a timely manner.
Also carriers like UPS and Fedex use the postal service for local logistics in the US (i.e. they deliver to the post office) so their rates would go up to, in order to maintain their delivery times.
Go to fedex.com and fedex.ca and compare Saturday delivery rates.
So the Treasury Dept. looks set to keep bailing out USPS with "loans" for awhile.
I mean look at the totally misleading APWU ads that are already on the TV and that's just about cutbacks. If it was privatized, the cuts would be vastly more severe.
Here in Canada, Canada Post said new workers would have substantially cut back pensions, etc. the union protested and then it all fell apart because no-one really cared, hey ho just use e-mail and Fedex instead. But at least Canada Post is marginally profitable.
I can just imagine the protests if USPS was as crap as Canada Post, someone mailed me a letter from Yellowknife on August 30th and I still haven't gotten it.
"Oh no, I ordered a widget from craponline.com and it took over a week to get here!!! Aaaagggghhh."
The whole business model of on-line retailers would collapse I reckon, in Canada we have to go to these things called "shops" if we want something in a timely manner.
Also carriers like UPS and Fedex use the postal service for local logistics in the US (i.e. they deliver to the post office) so their rates would go up to, in order to maintain their delivery times.
Go to fedex.com and fedex.ca and compare Saturday delivery rates.
#5
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
BBC report said the unions were already discussing strike action.
#6
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
Well of course they would, after all strike action worked so well to "secure the future of the industry", for the miners, the railwaymen (who, coincidentally, lost the long distance mail contract after repeated strike action) the BL employees, the steel workers, and the shipbuilders!
Last edited by Pulaski; Sep 12th 2013 at 5:41 pm.
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Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
Well of course they would, after all strike action worked so well to "secure the future of the industry", for the miners, the railwaymen (who, coincidentally, lost the long distance mail contract after repeated strike action) the BL employees, the steel workers, and the shipbuilders!
We city folk subsidize the country folk in terms of electricity, water supply and communications. I am fairly certain that postal service is more similar to these utilities than other industries.
There is also a lack of alternative as private companies avoid unprofitable areas. They instead use the US/UK postal service in these areas.
#8
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
This was always the problem with competition with Royal Mail. Nobody else is forced to deliver to everyone for the same price from John o'groats to Land's End. I'm sure after privatization, there will be huge chunks of rural UK that will be disenfranchised.
#9
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
The postal service is different from miners, the railwaymen, the steel workers, and the shipbuilders. The postal service is a utility.
We city folk subsidize the country folk in terms of electricity, water supply and communications. I am fairly certain that postal service is more similar to these utilities than other industries.
There is also a lack of alternative as private companies avoid unprofitable areas. They instead use the US/UK postal service in these areas.
We city folk subsidize the country folk in terms of electricity, water supply and communications. I am fairly certain that postal service is more similar to these utilities than other industries.
There is also a lack of alternative as private companies avoid unprofitable areas. They instead use the US/UK postal service in these areas.
#10
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
You're talking about a country that can't even replace the $1 bill with a coin. They couldn't even get the end of Saturday delivery agreed to.
So the Treasury Dept. looks set to keep bailing out USPS with "loans" for awhile.
I mean look at the totally misleading APWU ads that are already on the TV and that's just about cutbacks. If it was privatized, the cuts would be vastly more severe.
Here in Canada, Canada Post said new workers would have substantially cut back pensions, etc. the union protested and then it all fell apart because no-one really cared, hey ho just use e-mail and Fedex instead. But at least Canada Post is marginally profitable.
I can just imagine the protests if USPS was as crap as Canada Post, someone mailed me a letter from Yellowknife on August 30th and I still haven't gotten it.
"Oh no, I ordered a widget from craponline.com and it took over a week to get here!!! Aaaagggghhh."
The whole business model of on-line retailers would collapse I reckon, in Canada we have to go to these things called "shops" if we want something in a timely manner.
Also carriers like UPS and Fedex use the postal service for local logistics in the US (i.e. they deliver to the post office) so their rates would go up to, in order to maintain their delivery times.
Go to fedex.com and fedex.ca and compare Saturday delivery rates.
So the Treasury Dept. looks set to keep bailing out USPS with "loans" for awhile.
I mean look at the totally misleading APWU ads that are already on the TV and that's just about cutbacks. If it was privatized, the cuts would be vastly more severe.
Here in Canada, Canada Post said new workers would have substantially cut back pensions, etc. the union protested and then it all fell apart because no-one really cared, hey ho just use e-mail and Fedex instead. But at least Canada Post is marginally profitable.
I can just imagine the protests if USPS was as crap as Canada Post, someone mailed me a letter from Yellowknife on August 30th and I still haven't gotten it.
"Oh no, I ordered a widget from craponline.com and it took over a week to get here!!! Aaaagggghhh."
The whole business model of on-line retailers would collapse I reckon, in Canada we have to go to these things called "shops" if we want something in a timely manner.
Also carriers like UPS and Fedex use the postal service for local logistics in the US (i.e. they deliver to the post office) so their rates would go up to, in order to maintain their delivery times.
Go to fedex.com and fedex.ca and compare Saturday delivery rates.
The bigger issue are parcels. In many outlying rural areas, USPS does a lot of the final mile deliveries for other carriers since it has to deliver mail in those areas anyway and it is too expensive for private carriers to drive hundreds of miles to deliver just one package. If snail mail disappears, parcel delivery will also likely disappear from some rural areas since it would likely be too expensive.
I suspect Canada already has many of those problems once you get more then a few hundred miles from the US border.
#11
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
Legally they cannot do that (privatized or not) as terms of their licence, OFCOM has oversight and that is the main thing they look for, changes in policy that would adversely affect rural areas. In the last few years Royal Mail has been trying to do that and OFCOM keeps slapping them down, because they know they need to be profitable.
#12
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
I suspect Canada already has many of those problems once you get more then a few hundred miles from the US border.
#13
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
I saw an amusing version of a "while you were out card" this morning:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3914182.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3914182.html
#14
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
I suspect a lot of the problem is poverty and education, and at the lower strata of society that might not change much, and so reliance on a waning postal service will be another wedge between the poorest classes and everyone else. It will certainly alienate the rural poor, and effectively force at least some of them to move into the cities.
#15
Re: UK Royal Mail to be Privatized.... Will this likely be the way of USPS?
With experiences from AT&T being a similar monopoly prior to the 1980s, I'd rather have the government do it then a private monopoly.
Currently anything USPS wants to do, the government has to approve whether it is to cut services, increase rates, upgrade equipment, and salaries are set by the government.
When AT&T was a monopoly, executives had multimillion dollar salaries, they invested in pet projects (i.e. Unix which cost rate payers billions of dollars and was sold for $200 million when AT&T was broken up), were allowed to raise rates to maintain a specific maximum profit margin, and therefore the more they spent, the more they made. If AT&T was a public company, conservatives would have been screaming about the large salaries, high cost of service, poor service, and inefficiencies. The cost of a long distance phone call in the early 1970s was about $1 per minute (3 minutes minimum) but USPS was only charging only 8 cents per letter when the medium family income was about $6,000 per year.
Last edited by Michael; Sep 13th 2013 at 10:16 pm.