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Old Jan 12th 2017, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
So you're talking about cash flow, not profit, right?
Yeah - cash flow. But it doesn't become profit til we sell - so cashflow is what matters to us at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
That seems like a lot of tax unless you had very little mortgage interest (small mortgage or a very low interest rate), and/or had a remarkably high rent on a low value property (building) ..... Or you weren't deducting depreciation.

If you can't show a tax loss on rental property, you need a better tax accountant!
By "low value property" (building) are you referring to the value of the building when we purchased it?

I think the tax due would have been around $3600 on going.

Like H Bomb I know we had around £100 left over each month after everything was paid out, but that basically was wiped out by US tax.

It was all defiantly correct. I remember doing a back of a fag packet calculation and was only a few dollars out compared to our CPA's figures.

Our CPA was excellent (the one that is mentioned frequently on this website).
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Yeah - cash flow. But it doesn't become profit til we sell - so cashflow is what matters to us at the moment.
I call it "profit" too as that's how HMRC describe it.
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I looked this up today and the threshold is £2500, above which you have to register as a non resident landlord.
Not many people will let property for less than £200 a month rent.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
You have taxable profits after deducting mortgage interest, insurance, repairs and maintenance, management fees, and depreciation on the building (2.5%) and appliances (20%)?
The regulations state, and give as an example; a refrigerator is a depreciable asset. However, it seems that in IRS audits, they will accept what is done in industry in general, and allow an expenditure of $500 or less (for an appliance for example) as a current deduction
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Default Re: UK rental income. Is it taxed?

Originally Posted by Pulaski
You assume incorrectly, but you are partially correct. You must report your rental income on your US tax return, but you can deduct any expenses you incur, including mortgage interest, insurance, repairs and maintenance, management fees, advertizing/marketing, property taxes (if any), and depreciation - which is mandatory.

Depreciation is calculated as 1/40 of the value of the building each year. If you don't know the value of the building as distinct from the value of the land, 80% of the purchase price of building+land is a good place to start. Depreciation is also deducted for appliances at 20%/yr.

By the time you have deducted mortgage interest, depreciation, management fees, repairs and maintenance, etc. I doubt you will have any profit left to tax!
OK. My calcs as below: (Per annum)
Rental income: £10000
Mortgage Interest : £1000 (Yes low mortgage)
Insurance: £300 ish...
Depreciation(building): £4300
Repairs and Maintenance : £1000 (estimate)
No other costs as it will be under guaranteed rent scheme.

So profits around: £4400

1) Will file UK tax returns but don't have to pay tax as under personal allowance.
2) Will register as non resident landlord in UK.
3) will file this as profit in US under joint filing.
So I guess this is the amount that is taxable. Do i just have to pay Federal tax or both Federal and State on this overseas rental income?
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OK. My calcs as below: (Per annum)
Rental income: £10000
Mortgage Interest : £1000 (Yes low mortgage)
Insurance: £300 ish...
Depreciation(building): £4300
Repairs and Maintenance : £1000 (estimate)
No other costs as it will be under guaranteed rent scheme.

So profits around: £4400

1) Will file UK tax returns but don't have to pay tax as under personal allowance.
2) Will register as non resident landlord in UK.
3) will file this as profit in US under joint filing.
So I guess this is the amount that is taxable. Do i just have to pay Federal tax or both Federal and State on this overseas rental income?
Yes, your mortgage interest is extraordinarily small - any typical mortgage would incur enough interest to wipe out your profit entirely.

You will add almost certainly pay state as well as federal income tax on the profit. I am not aware of any US state exempting foreign income from taxation, nor can I imagine why they would do so.

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You may have excess foreign tax credits in the same basket which you can offset against the tax.
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The depreciation is not subject to US income tax and in practice it is not a loss. UK does not recognize this deduction.
You would make £7700 but only be taxed on £3400. You you pay CGT on the $4300 if you sold up.
If you earn over $150k there are other things to take into consideration.

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Originally Posted by mrken30
The depreciation is not subject to deductible when calculating US income tax and in practice it is not a loss is a loss for tax purposes but will likely (assuming the house is sold at a profit) be recouped through CGT when the property is sold. .....
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FIFY.
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Remember to deduct the depreciation amount when calculation the cost base value. So you could end up paying CGT even if you sell at a loss.

What I haven't worked out yet is whether I need to send 1099-misc forms to UK contractors for work over $600. Fortunately this has not occurred yet. Not sure how useful it would be as they don't have a TIN.

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Originally Posted by mrken30
Remember to deduct the depreciation amount when calculation the cost base value. So you could end up paying CGT even if you sell at a loss. .....
After 40 years* of depreciation 100% of the sales proceeds of a property outside the US is subject to CGT.

* It's 27½ years for a property in the US
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Default Re: UK rental income. Is it taxed?

Originally Posted by Pulaski
After 40 years* of depreciation 100% of the sales proceeds of a property outside the US is subject to CGT.

* It's 27½ years for a property in the US
100% minus the land value. You can only depreciate the building value plus improvements. If you have made a lot of improvements it may be more than 100%
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Originally Posted by mrken30
100% minus the land value. You can only depreciate the building value plus improvements. If you have made a lot of improvements it may be more than 100%
If at all possible, good tax planning dictates that property held for a long time should be left in one's will. Property inherited is deemed acquired at market value, so the beneficiary of your will benefits from a "free uplift".
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