TRPardoe

Never been arrested, never been harrassed, but...........

"I am not a number I am a free man" or at least, I am until they implant the RFID chip into me so they can scan my presence at airports.

There may be cases where the impantation of RFID in a person is valid. Released pedophiles for instance, so it could be known if they were in the vicinity of a school, but to require compulsory ID for everyone is only a stone's throw from tattooing Jews with a serial number.

If you trust the government enough to allow them to impliment compulsory ID for law-abiding legal residents then you have a lot more faith in your elected "leaders" than I have.

As I am both a British Citizen and a legal US Resident would I have to carry 2 IDs, and track their validity in 2 countries ? This is a bag of bullshit just waiting to burst.

TRPardoe

I think it is time for a poll:

I am in favour of compulsory ID

I am not in favour of compulsory ID

How do you set one up ?

AdobePinon

A couple of minor details they want* on the cards:

*unimplementable IMHO, and would inconveniently force recognition of dual citizenship if they did implement it.

Circus-of-Power

....when I read trip like this its no wonder I rarely look back with any misty eyed sentiment... The history of 1930's Europe is far removed from any discussion on identity cards ...The BNP have as much chance in national politics as the Raving Looney Party ..and the UK is anything but a police state ....The soft arsed left wing judges have left the UK justice system a criminals dream ...

BigDavyG

And you were doing so well too....

GaryK

Well, if you've been reading the Guardian recently, you'll know that the BNP is getting increasing support even from the higher ends of British society, and that they've been making notable electoral gains in the local elections in London.

In addition, the police have implemented an automatic number plate recognition system for certain routes, so that whenever I leave or enter Brighton, my plates are scanned and compared against a database. Suppose there is an error in the database and I'm pulled over for no reason? Having worked in the public sector in the UK, I can tell you that mistakes are made staggeringly often!

...and as to the criminal justice system: in my opinion it's one of the more harsh systems in Europe. No other country has come up with ASBOs or any similarly insane programmes of social Darwinism! I think the UK should look to the Nordic countries when it comes to sentencing, punishment and rehabilitation.

One of those Christmassy rants I suppose

Ray

I think your a raving loonie to be frank ..

from the BNP site
The idea that seriously rich and influential people might have as much concern about their children's future prospects in their own country as the legions of decent but less monied working people across the UK seems to have landed the Guardian newspaper in a bit of a muddle.

Estate agents, company directors, actors and influential people close to the Royal Family are joining the BNP, getting involved and making donations.

Estate Agents ... the echelon of society ... your having a laff ...

Rompers

I think you and I have similar views on civil liberties and ID cards. Have a think about the article you linked to though,


Its in the Telegraph and is built around a quote from the shadow Home Secretary.

None of the other press has picked it up.

It is about a proposal that is unlikely to happen - the conservatives have already promised not to introduce ID cards and the PLP is uneasy about them.

Your suggested solution (getting US citizenship) suggests that you haven't been paying much attention to the raft of measures introduced in the name of "the war against terror" and "patriotism".

TRPardoe

Naah - I am just having a tweak.........my own feelings about this administation (or any other) will stay private until after I have my own US citizenship. Trust nobody.

TRPardoe

The sudden rise of the Nazi party surprised the whole of Europe.

Never underestimate the ability of the masses to forkit up for a brilliant orator.

anotherlimey

Give us a good reason for one and maybe we'll listen....

JAJ

There are no plans to issue ID cards to British citizens living outside the United Kingdom.

celine_uk

I don’t understand what the problem is here, here in canada you need id for just about everything, which is fine with me because it stops fraud (well helps) and stops others using my identiy, it really arrrrs me when people in england believe all of that crap the newspapers print about life in the UK and how its going down the drain! Get over it! Life is life and UK offers a great standard of living, no where is perfect…..

I think it’s the british in us, we all seem to moan about anything and everything ( something I don’t miss)


The newspaper here make out everything to rosie-lee when it isnt.

ID cards are a great idea

paddingtongreen

I found my National Registration Identity Card. They were issued at age sixteen and mine is datestamped for my sixteenth birthday in1951. According to wiki, they were discontinued in 1951, but I believe I carried mine till I did my National Service in 1956, it certainly looks like it.

I also found this take on a new National Identity Card.ID Cards

Tableland

We don't need them and we don't want them. Once in China it was possible to travel without identity papers, until Mao that is. Our children will know that until Blair it was possible to travel in Britain without identity papers.

A sad, wretched and unnecessary end to British civil liberties. All I can say is thank God they're going to get a good kicking in the May elections. They deserve it. Like Ming Campbell said on TV this morning, there is no longer a choice between Left and Right in Britain, just authoritarianism and liberalism.

Choose wisely.