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Old Feb 10th 2008, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
It is a legal requirement that all US citizens leave and enter the US using a US passport.
It is not possible to "use" any passport to leave the United States as there are no exit passport controls.
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It is not possible to "use" any passport to leave the United States as there are no exit passport controls.
At our oath ceremony for US citizenship we were told it was a legal requirement that all US citizens must enter and leave the US using US PP.
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
At our oath ceremony for US citizenship we were told it was a legal requirement that all US citizens must enter and leave the US using US PP.
But in practical terms it is the check-in people who check your passport, and what they want to see is that you have the relevant rights to get into the country you're going to.

So while legally you may have to show your US passport to someone at some point should they demand to see it, in practical terms no one asks to see it, whereas someone else DOES ask to see your UK passport (or visa or whatever).

So to answer the OP, you usually have to show your UK passport as you leave the US, and you usually have to show your US passport as you leave the UK.
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But in practical terms it is the check-in people who check your passport, and what they want to see is that you have the relevant rights to get into the country you're going to.

So while legally you may have to show your US passport to someone at some point should they demand to see it, in practical terms no one asks to see it, whereas someone else DOES ask to see your UK passport (or visa or whatever).
Quite right. Now, if a U.S. official asks to see your passport on leaving the United States you are obliged to show a U.S. passport.

But airline check-in staff are not government officials and so the legal obligation does not apply to what you show them.
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But in practical terms it is the check-in people who check your passport, and what they want to see is that you have the relevant rights to get into the country you're going to.

So while legally you may have to show your US passport to someone at some point should they demand to see it, in practical terms no one asks to see it, whereas someone else DOES ask to see your UK passport (or visa or whatever).

So to answer the OP, you usually have to show your UK passport as you leave the US, and you usually have to show your US passport as you leave the UK.
If you are a US citizen you must show your US PP when leaving the US....not a UK PP or any other kind...it is illegal not to do so. You may leave the US on a UK PP as an USC but I don't think you should encourage others to.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/questio...ns_1253.html#9

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If you are a US citizen you must show your US PP when leaving the US..
Once again ... show to whom??
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Once again ... show to whom??
OK perhaps show was the wrong word....

http://travel.state.gov/visa/questio...ns_1253.html#9

When booking air travel you have to give your PP details ie citizenship, PP number, expiration date.
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When booking air travel you have to give your PP details ie citizenship, PP number, expiration date.

I've not come across having to do that before. Airlines are normally only concerned that name on ticket is the same as that on passport. They check passport/visa acceptability at check-in.
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I've not come across having to do that before. Airlines are normally only concerned that name on ticket is the same as that on passport. They check passport/visa acceptability at check-in.
Not from the US...not in the post 9/11 days.
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Not from the US...not in the post 9/11 days.
I have flown from the U.S. and not needed to provide this information - at least not when booking, of course when you check in.

Anyway, it's a leap of logic to suggest that USCs are under any legal obligation to tell an airline about their U.S. passport as opposed to their foreign one. Of course airline will find out on the return leg.
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I have flown from the U.S. and not needed to provide this information - at least not when booking, of course when you check in.

Anyway, it's a leap of logic to suggest that USCs are under any legal obligation to tell an airline about their U.S. passport as opposed to their foreign one. Of course airline will find out on the return leg.
Also when booking a cruise departing from the US...same details are required.
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Also when booking a cruise departing from the US...same details are required.
No legal obligations to show a U.S. passport to anyone other than a government official.

Of course you are free to interpret things differently if you wish.
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No legal obligations to show a U.S. passport to anyone other than a government official.

Of course you are free to interpret things differently if you wish.
I think we are going round in circles here. I've provided a link to the US Gov website...we were told at our US citizenship ceremony that it was illegal to leave or enter the US with any other PP than a US PP once a USC.

The problem is most likely to occur if you leave the US as a USC on a different PP then try to re-enter.
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I think we are going round in circles here. I've provided a link to the US Gov website...we were told at our US citizenship ceremony that it was illegal to leave or enter the US with any other PP than a US PP once a USC.

The problem is most likely to occur if you leave the US as a USC on a different PP then try to re-enter.
You don't "leave" the United States on any passport. Simple as that.

Government websites are not definitive guides to the law. Nor is the opinion of one government official. If you really want to take this point further then you may wish to provide a reference to the relevant statute ...

Obviously no-one is suggesting trying to enter the U.S. (as a citizen) on a foreign passport.
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