Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
Dec 4th 2012, 11:31 pm
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
Exactly. When John McCain was running for president, he proposed that he would eliminate employer provided health care and the government would give tax payers tax credits to purchase health insurance instead. Employer provided heath care provides about 80% of all health care in the US (except for medicare) and many republicans, independents, and democrats have very good employer provided health care and would oppose such a law but McCain was competitive (until the economy crashed) and many voted for him even though his proposal was for tax credit of up to $7,000 (depending on family size and age) which likely wouldn't cover more than 60% of the cost of the premiums. So for America, that is a radical proposal even though I think employer provided should be eliminated but not through tax credits but instead government supplied universal health care.
Eliminating employer provided heath care (whether from the right or left) would be considered as radical as if a UK politician from a major party proposed eliminating the NHS which they would never propose no matter how far right their beliefs are.
Only politicians such as Ron Paul (if he were elected) would try to push his radical ideas through but even the republicans wouldn't vote for many of his ideas.
Eliminating employer provided heath care (whether from the right or left) would be considered as radical as if a UK politician from a major party proposed eliminating the NHS which they would never propose no matter how far right their beliefs are.
Only politicians such as Ron Paul (if he were elected) would try to push his radical ideas through but even the republicans wouldn't vote for many of his ideas.
Dec 4th 2012, 11:42 pm
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
Hmm. I wonder if many Americans were voting for him because of his experiences & behaviour in Vietnam. It seems that since about the mid 80s his positions and behaviours have been less commensurate with a truly top bloke, perhaps as he became more tarnished by being in Washington etc... Now I think he's just a crazy old coot... sometimes he's right on, but not consistently so - tends to make him look like a right old opportunist (surely not?!)...
I think he belongs to a different era, and is infact an idealist, a Romantic. Unfortunately ideology and economics do not always make good bed-partners...
Dec 4th 2012, 11:45 pm
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
Hmm. I wonder if many Americans were voting for him because of his experiences & behaviour in Vietnam. It seems that since about the mid 80s his positions and behaviours have been less commensurate with a truly top bloke, perhaps as he became more tarnished by being in Washington etc... Now I think he's just a crazy old coot... sometimes he's right on, but not consistently so - tends to make him look like a right old opportunist (surely not?!)...
Dec 5th 2012, 12:01 am
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
Poor old McCain..
Poor old Clint Eastwood...
Some people just don't know how to age gracefully...
Poor old Clint Eastwood...
Some people just don't know how to age gracefully...
Dec 5th 2012, 12:05 am
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
McCain was very well respected by independents and the democratic party for crossing party lines when laws benefited the country but after he was basically swift boated by the right in the 2000 republican primary , he learned his lesson in 2008 and moved to the right during the 2008 primary. Then when he was challenged by the Tea Party in 2010, he moved very far to the right from fear of losing his job. Now his voting record has a conservative rating of about 98% which is among the highest as compared to about 65% in 2000. So now he has become just another crazy old coot.
Dec 5th 2012, 12:09 am
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
Healthcare has to be divorced from employment.
How about bringing back Conscription with successful completion coming with lifetime VA provision?
Everybody happy.
How about bringing back Conscription with successful completion coming with lifetime VA provision?
Everybody happy.
Dec 5th 2012, 12:11 am
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
France?
Dec 5th 2012, 12:14 am
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
How about we stop going to war and invest in space exploration instead? Trust me, it'll be worth it. It seems that us humans have lost the art of being the "explorers" that once helped advance us as a species. We're so pussified now that we send friggin' robots to Mars.
Dec 5th 2012, 12:25 am
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
Although there hasn't been many moderates (with the exception of a few New England moderates) in the republican party once it was made clear by the far right that any legislation proposed by Obama has to be opposed.
Lately a few have come out of the closet for compromise such as Corker, Graham, Chambliss (but had to apologize to Grover Nordquest), and Peter King. Actually there are still quite a few more that used to be moderates in the republican party but if they don't also come out of the closet, the above 4 will likely be going the way of Lugar.
Lately a few have come out of the closet for compromise such as Corker, Graham, Chambliss (but had to apologize to Grover Nordquest), and Peter King. Actually there are still quite a few more that used to be moderates in the republican party but if they don't also come out of the closet, the above 4 will likely be going the way of Lugar.
Dec 5th 2012, 12:31 am
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How about we stop going to war and invest in space exploration instead? Trust me, it'll be worth it. It seems that us humans have lost the art of being the "explorers" that once helped advance us as a species. We're so pussified now that we send friggin' robots to Mars.
Dec 5th 2012, 12:36 am
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How about we stop going to war and invest in space exploration instead? Trust me, it'll be worth it. It seems that us humans have lost the art of being the "explorers" that once helped advance us as a species. We're so pussified now that we send friggin' robots to Mars.
F$$k t-shirts
and pizzas
Dec 5th 2012, 12:41 am
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Re: Is it time for Obama to push towards single payer universal healthcare?
McCain made great frozen chips.
